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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2008, 07:37:50 AM »

These are both certificates of attendance- nothing more.   It would be like going to a Hock camp, not achieving any rank status and then post your certificate of attendance on your website.

Everybody who runs in any JKD circles knows that Wagner has never had any strong links or connections with the JKD community.  Where is the confirmation of your rank Jimbo. 

Has anybody let Paul Vunak know that JW has been going round teaching seminars and using Paul's name as long time training partners?  I would be interested what Paul has to say about that.

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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2008, 08:15:12 AM »

Looking at the dates the certificates are from the following statement on Jim wagner's website:
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"In 1978 Jim Wagner went to a 60 hour martial arts training camp, called the Aspen Academy of Martial Arts, nestled in Aspen, Colorado and took lessons from little known instructor at the time Dan Inosanto - protege of the late Bruce Lee. "

Is this training CAMP and the certificates of attendance what is to be seen as his Instructorship Certificate In JKD?? LOL
(Was Dan into Reality Based where one does not have to train long to be certified to teach??)

On the bottom left hand side of the Escrima certificate it lists 9 courses of the Inosanto Academy.

Were those 9 Courses offered in the 60 hours at Aspen?
or
Just the Escrima and wing chun?

I ask as I would bet all 9 courses were taught and of the 9 you,Mr Wagner,decided to participate in 2.
They are signed by Dan Inosanto but I would question if he taught all 60 hours  of those two subjects as alluded to or if he was the over all Instructor with assistants teaching

MR Wagner Please Post the Instructorship Certificate for you to TEACH JKD.


I have certificates for Hapkido seminars that equal approx 400 hours,those alone do not qualify me to teach Hapkido.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2008, 11:39:04 AM »

Check this out for JW's martial arts background:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030714075340/http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/Jim_Wagner.html

Then go to his current page and read where he now has included Ted Lucay Lucay (deceased) was where he got the majority of his Kali / JKD training from. 

http://www.jimwagnertraining.com/aboutjimwagner.html

Does this clown have no scruples?

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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2008, 12:21:17 PM »

The dates on those certificates are identical, which leads me to believe that they were both given for attendance to the Aspen Camp.  I guess that adds up to a week or two of training.  He then claims on his site that he carried on for two years studying with Dan, but nothing to show for it; really not one certificate in two years?  I wonder if Burt Richardson knows anything about him as he was part of that Concepts thing at the time.  You know if he attained any rank, he would be whoring that around like a Thai slut with a Desert Eagle cock holster for sure.  He still claims he taught the London Metropolitan police, but his only documented evidence is that silly picture of him in a police uniform while on a drive along.  Again, if he ever did any real training with them he would have a photo and video diary that Steven Spielberg would die for; the whore that he is.

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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2008, 02:57:13 PM »

Wagner does claim training,twice a week with Dan and BURTON,as well as being the training partner of Paul Vunak,lol.

As said,two whole years and not one rank certificate in any of the 9 subject matter classes under the Filipino/Kali school taught in LA by Dan ??

Wagner says he was already teaching out of his home before  any training with Ted Lucay.


Hey,but he has those Aspen certificates,60 hours total must be good for for opening your own JKD school,even if out of your house,lol.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2008, 04:30:50 PM »

Mr Wagner,
you said you trained with Kyoshi Yamazaki.
(you sid you trained with him in 1977,so what does Arnold Schwarzenegger have to do with it and your being in the same building as Arnold,39 years later?)
You rose to the rank of Green Belt .
You were studying for Brown Belt when you saw a Bruce Lee movie,told Kyoshi Yamazaki you wanted to learn kung Fu,he said it was no good so you left,Correct?

Do you have ranks for the Belts between Green and Brown?

Here is the rank structure from kyoshi Yamazaki's school:
Grade Belt Color Minimum Time in grade
before next test
Recruit White One Month
10th Kyu* Yellow One Month
9th Kyu* Gold One Month
8th Kyu Orange Three Months
7th Kyu Green Three Months
6th Kyu Blue Three Months
5th Kyu Purple Three Months
4th Kyu Red Three Months
3rd Kyu Brown Six Months
2nd Kyu Brown w/ 1 Stripe Six Months
1st Kyu  Brown w/ 2 Stripes Six Months
Shodan Black Two Years
* 9th and 10th Kyu ranks are informal ranks and may be omitted per local instructor's authority.

What happened to Blue,Purple and Red before Brown
to reach Brown Belt would have taken 15 months from Sept 25,1977 ,NO?
That would have been November 1978,No?

Another story you got caught with,LOL.

Maybe it took Kyoshi to Green Belt to see you skills and he was going to jump you to Brown Belt?
I bet that is it right?



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Quote from Jim Wagner's site:
"If you had a desire to learn how to sky dive or SCUBA dive for the first time, would you want to learn from someone who has never jumped from an airplane before or someone who only got their underwater experience from a swimming pool? Of course not, and yet most civilian self-defense instructors have never been in an actual life-and-death conflict, and are merely passing down information given to them from their instructors. Even if they have been in the proverbial “bar fight” in their past the question must be asked, “Have they been shot at, attacked with a knife, or looked into the eyes of a criminal or terrorist?”

Quote from wagner's site under the HSS section:

In 2002 Jim Wagner was again thrown into the fire when the president of HSS International said to Jim, "Our instructor for the tactical dive course cancelled and I don't have anyone that can go to Miami. Jim, you are the only one I've got who can pull it off." Jim told his partner that although he had plenty of SCUBA and maritime training under his belt, he was not comfortable being the chief instructor to professional police dive teams. However, after much arm twisting Jim reluctantly agreed to fly to Miami and teach the course to the half dozen agencies hosted by the North Miami Police Department.

The important point of the HSS Section on Wagner's site in relation to the above follows:

"I learned then and there that teaching was not always about direct experience, but accumulated experiences or just a good solid understanding of the material. Being a good instructor is about learning information well and passing it on to others.

So Jim,
Is it important to learn from someone who has done the things they say,as you wrote in the First Paragraph above?
Or
Is it important to NOT have Done the things you teach,but just have a good understanding that you can relate to students,as you wrote in the third/last paragraph from your site above?

Again
If you say you are from Harvard and teach Math and people pay good money to you
Then
You find out that they were actually only a Janitor at Harvard with a basic understanding of Math
Would you Say
They got something for the BIG BUCKS you charged ?
They never did the research on you ? (Buyer beware)
They got what they paid for and you should be able to keep doing what you do,making false claims and charging BIG BUCKS for the basic Understanding?

In the Instruction of the ADVANCED TACTICAL Dive Course mentioned above did it dawn on you that these ADVANCED divers were paying for Instruction from a supposed Advanced Tactical DIVE Instructor,who it turns out was not even a Basic Tactical Dive Instructor ?
Did you feel bad taking the full amount for BS Instruction ?
Did getting away with fake Instruction on that day pad your resume to then reflect you were NOW an advanced Tactical Dive Instructor ?

LOL

I am also Curious still of this claim of being shot at you keep writing about.
As in 2003 at your Instructor Course you CLAIMED to us that you never Have Been shot at. So since you were already done with all type Police/FAM Work and out working as a Private Citizen in 2003,when did you get shot at ?

Was it shot at by simulated ammo at a training course ?

Since you do not know the disposition of the supposed TERRORISTS you engaged as an Air Marshall,how do you know what looking into the eyes of a Terrorists is like?
Funny in the Instructors Course in 2003 you said you had gone through time as a FAM as UNEVENTFUL,yet NOW you have some Great stories of saving the world.

I still wonder what the FAM Bosses thought of the incident,if there REALLY was one,of you suspecting a man of having something in his brief case taking the man off the plane and you OPENING the Brief Case on the Plane to find the documents of a NUCLEAR Nature ?

Imagine if the case had a bomb in it ?
Not very sound Real World Tactics to me.
Hey but having an UNDERSTANDING over HAVING DONE the Subject Matter is all that matters as an Instructor anyway.
RIGHT JIM ?

LOL

All your claims are all to make you seem like a Been There Done That Guy.
I guess you are ,in a REALITY BASED SENSE,Just a Basic Understanding Guy,rather than a REAL World Done It Guy.

Jim Wagner says:
I was a member of SWAT,but as Command Post Operations Officer,not a door kicking member
But in doing that Job
I learned,(but did not do/got a Basic Understanding of),How SWAT Teams Operate,Tactics, Hostage Rescue,Hostage Negotiations,Logistics and SNIPING.
LOL
And from that UNDERSTANDING you now teach this BS.
LOL

What a Great Country America where those with UNDERSTANDING are held on a Higher Level than those with ACTUAL Real World Experiences and these Theorists are TEACHING The Real world Operators ?
Wagner, Aizik , Kanarek,to name a few, supported by Magazines such as Black Belt and BUDO,Blitz and others and given Credibility which is undeserved,which fools the consuming public.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2008, 07:10:59 PM »

Mr Wagner On your site you say
"Jim Wagner hooked up with some Vietnamese immigrants at his High School who taught him Vietnamese kung-fu. He then went to a local Hawaiian kenpo school in Newport Beach until that closed down several months later. The instructor had taken a samurai sword to the school in the middle of the night and completely destroyed the place and became a lumber jack up in Washinton State. One of the black belts, Jeff Huff, who came to the destroyed school at the same moment Jim did, took Jim under his wing as a private student and taught him the very traditional martial art of Po Keck Yin Yang Kung-fu and some ballet dance exercise for balance."

Now you got promoted in Sept 25,77 to green belt,left a short time later.
Joined Dan in aspen August 78
So you trained with all these people,listed above,and NOT A ONE is an Instructor in any style art or form,are they?

You have listed now on your site a Filipino/Kali membership card.
Jim Wagner Class II member 1979,Head Instructor Dan Inosanto
Your Class Instructor Bustillo.

I am wondering why the Name Wagner is smudged up and re written over.
I am wondering why the Letter N in Wagner does not match the "N" in Dan and Inosanto

You say on your site that it is a Membership signed by Dan Inosanto,can you please tell me where on the card Dan's signature is as all the names are printed?
What is a Class II membership?
Is it  the Class taught by Bustillo?

You began teaching JKD and Kali out of your house in 1980,Right?
So in the year of twice a week classes did you become an Instructor?

Quote from your site
"In 1980 Jim started teaching close friends and associates privately under the Jeet Kune Do banner before going into the army."

Did teaching stuff you were not qualified to teach become a habit in 1980 and since you got away with it being a part time student ,you expanded to teaching unqualified materials as a way of life,figuring NO ONE would ever catch on?

I hear a song in my head
Lyrics go something like this:

When the walls come
tumblin' down
When the walls come crumblin' crumblin'
When the
walls come tumblin' tumblin' down

John Cougar Mellencamp seems so fitting


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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2008, 08:30:18 PM »

Should we Lleave him alone???

Let's see:
A Phony who is using a padded Bio to make money off of people.
He has embellished his record and is using misinformatioon as means to make money,a CON Artist.
They have those in Prisons don't they?

Customers...you paid Big Bucks for your Certificate from him right? Would you have paid if you knew he was full of it?

What will his instructors do if he goes down? He mentioned me in his Blitz article and fluffed me off as a know-nothing, like his Air Marshall job was a Real Antiterrorism Job. He even defended his Counterterrorism Position as that is what being Vigilant is. Please, are TSA screeners antiterrorism specialists.

I defended his materials and disliked his sales hype and Now I will attack his statements,his sales hype,so perhaps others will not get ripped off.

Anti-Terrorism for an Air Marshall is when some one gets out of their seat,rushes the cockpit,gains entry and tries to take control of the aircraft. If at that time the Air Marshall gets up and stops him by any means needed then he,the Air Marshall,has done his job.

If a man gets up and acts unstable,is that a means for the Air Marshall to blow his cover and act?
No. The Air Marshall acts when the aircraft is under THREAT. If the Air Marshall rides in an aircraft and a Man gets up and tells the stewardess he wants to Hijack the plane to Cuba,is that an act the Air Marshall will act On? Yes, if the Air marshall believes the threat.

Is the act of apprehending the Possible Hijacker an act of Antiterrorism? No.
As the Hijacker had no intention of THREATENING the passengers or crew.

Distinction of Threat and distinction of job.
He SAYS he rode for 140 missions,he rode for 3 months, 5 Max, WITHOUT incident.
He was vigilant, reading his mag,watching the seat back TV and or writing his next Black Belt Article, Give me a Break.

If we read JW's pages on his time as an Anti Terrorism specialist we see all he focused on where Middile Eastern passengers. This is who he selected as a potential threat,which turned out to be a nobody,but he says the man was removed by the Feds. Then the Middle eastern man who followed his friend, another agent,that he called the Orange County Female Officer for, then he goes off on her, that she screwed up.

Always the leader,the Instructor in all he writes and it is all BS. JW is all about the Hype,all about the BS,time to let others Know and let them decide if BS is worth the money to learn basics and BS.

As an Instructor level one certified:
Do you feel you can properly teach anti terrorism and crime survival?

Wagner is teaching theory.
His unarmed skills are basic and are usable as they are found in ALL arts.
Once he gets into his other areas of believed expertise he subjects the student and reader to false sense of secrurity as he is OUT OF HIS DEPTH.

Anyone who believes that civilians in a work place can use his concepts to survive a sniper,a terrorists bombing,a terrorism Bio/chem attack is kidding themselves and he is cashing in on this BS.

Let him produce REAL paper work. Now let him Put up or SHUT DOWN.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2008, 08:43:23 PM »

LOL
Joe,
Who can keep up with the rewrites LOL.

The names remain the same and the stories change around them.

Before he left Kiyoshi Yamazaki because he wanted to learn Kung Fu,now his family moved away.

Come on Jim get a story and stick to it Please,lol.

So many changes and so little time.

The walls of the stories are caving in,save yourself.

I hope the Editors of Black Belt and BUDO are watching this ever changing show.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2008, 06:02:11 AM »

I do not have a personal issue Mr Wagner.
I have defended his MATERIALS on this Forum and others.
(a search  will show this)
I have also said I disliked his methods of Selling his Misinformation as a Sales Tactic.
My posts on this go way back on this forum and others.
I also have the same problem with Sales that use Misleading information and claims like from Darren Levine of Krav Maga ,Peterson of SCARS,Perkins of Attack Proof,Petire of CDT and others.
I have said thought that they also have some God points in their Materials,I disagree with their sales tactics.
I have used Bruce Lee as an example:
Had Bruce Lee claimed to have been a Certified Instructor of Wing chun I am sure the Community would have jumped on him.
Bruce Lee created his Own style and sold the STYLE not BS claims.
If you want to sell your materials then sell them on the truth and the Proof of the Material not the TRS styled hyped up BS.

I was but a singular person with an opinion talking up the materials and attacking the sales hype.
I had an outlet on this forum and others towrite my opinions.
(We are all entitled to our opinions)
Others apparently have grown to the same conclusion,the hype has swamped the truth.
Now there are others and the numbers have grown.
People want the truth as apparently the LIES  and MISINFORMATION have gone on long enough.

I do not like that I was brought up in his article in Blitz,but again I do not have a PERSONAL problem with Mr Wagner.
I found Mr Wagner to be a Nice Guy,with some basic skills and a big SELF Image who loves to talk about himself.
Not unlike others I have met in the Martial art.
(too bad we now see most of the talk about himself and his background are FAKE)
I have an Issue with Facts about his background.
The Background used to launch his Sales Hype.

If one pays $1500 ,or more now,for a week of Jim Wagner courses is that a lot?
I did not think so 1500 to me was not a Big Deal.
Would I pay it again knowing what I know?
NO
That is why I and I guess many others DO NOT go back for level 2 or higher.

Do I think it is a problem for others?
Possibly
Especially if they invest their $1500 dollars and expect to make a living from the Wagner name.
(this has also been mentioned by lawman as a concern for Wagner Instructors)

I also imagine that Mr Wagner has run his Course in the US as his site says there is ONLY 1 US Course given in 2008 and it is in NY in Dec.
WHY?
Why are most of his Courses done outside of the US?
Are people outside the US That more in tune with what REALLY Works?

Why am I asking questions for Clarity of Mr Wagner?
Because now that more people are interested in the truth then it is owed to me ,to lawman and to others who paid our money to be instructors under him.
It is owed to the BUYING Public.
It is Owed to the Readers of his articles.
I have not said that Mr Wagner Does Not have experiences,he does,just not the Experiences of the Magnitude claimed.

As Asked
If Mr Wagner Claims the Military then why pretend to be an NCO In an Infantry unit when you spent 8 months in the US Army Total ,most in training and Most of the same time trying to get out?

If Mr Wagner Claims to have worked in the Jail,fie,then why claim to have been exposed to countless fights in the Jail in which you had to develop a system of usable H2H,when such events NEVER Happened.

If Mr Wagners Claims to have Been a JKD Instructor under Inosanto or Bustillo,then where is the Paper work.
(is attending a seminar qualification enough,I do not think Dan Inosanto believes so)

If Mr Wagner claims to have been an ACTIVE member of a SWAT Team and talks about encounters and jobs as a SWAT team member and now we find that he has never been in such a position and this position and claim is a MAJOR Factor in his BIO and his Sales pitch then he should be called on it.

Sorry ,but if selling Hyped up BS seems OK to people then they deserve to be Ripped off because apparently their goal is also to live under the HYPED up Banner of BS that has been shown to be Mr Wagner and they plan to use this same sales BS for their own gains.

I will continue to ask questions of Mr Wagner.
I am glad this forum and others allow such dialogue and expression of Opinions as a way to Stop the Insanity that is and has been a way of some to sell what they teach.

As Hock Said on his reply to Wagner on POWNET:
There is NO Martial arts Wall of shame.
If posting questions,that NEVER get answered stops some from being ripped off then that is FINE with me.
If questions raise doubts about the Validity of claims made and they are not answered to the Buying publics satisfaction then that is fine by me,as long as fakes are exposed for what they are and the public ,(who bother to search) are given a CHOICE in their decision making

Mr Wagners responses to the questions has been the ever evolving BIO Pages.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2008, 12:36:15 PM »

Mr Wagner,
On the PDF File page on your site for YOUR Students.
You have pictures listed and the claim of the Pictures is that these people were trained BY YOU,Correct?

Are there others in the Photos from HSS international ?

I am curious as the picture of GOPLAT Eva as the first picture  on the first PDF is from HSS GOPLAT Training,isn't it?
(GOPLAT is Gas and Oil Rig Platform Training)
The listed INSTRUCTORS for that were:
Tom Love and Jose Martinez

The Tactical Swimmer pic,2nd picture ,1st PDF students
The Instructor was :
Frank Ortega
(you are not listed as an Instructor or Assistant)

The Bodyguard/Protective services Operator
Page 3 PDF,1st pic
It says Jim Wagner DPU.
isn't this picture also from HSS International?
The Instructor was Kevin Mitchell

Where are the JIM WAGNER ONLY Students?

Why all pics of HSS trainining and claims of Instructor and Assistant in the pics when you are not?
You are there
You got in the Pics
but in what capacity?

I wish I had more time.

I will keep plugging along though and I am SURE I will have more questions and more MISINFORMATION from MR Wagner.


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The sniper/counter sniper clip had supposed snipers,wearing ghillie suits,(so you knew they were snipers,lol), walking down an unvegitated road/drainage ditch.
They looked as if they were just shooting the breeze,might as well have had a beer and a cigarette in their hands.

They would have known they were in enemy territory and would have been moving slowly,carefully,with STEALTH and CUNNING.

They would not have been that close together.
They would have been moving in the grass,the same grass the counter snipers were in.
They would be moving slowly,stopping,listening,watching,and then resuming movement.
They would not be straight up in the open.

All a concocted joke by an Idiot who knows NOTHING about Military Movement,Movement learned by all weapons carrying troops,not just snipers.

Hey but someone probably paid to learn that trash from JW.
As said I hope this TRASH was not what HSS was teaching as well.

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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2008, 02:23:57 PM »

Mr Wagner
On page 4 of this thread I asked about a membership card
You have listed now on your site a Filipino/Kali membership card.
Jim Wagner Class II member 1979,Head Instructor Dan Inosanto
Your Class Instructor Bustillo.

I have found out that the Class II membership does in fact mean that you joined  as a Twice a week member and you were ASSIGNED to BUSTILLO's Class.
Class II membership was no ranking as some were allowed to Assume.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2008, 05:41:48 PM »

Mr Wagner,
On your site you have a Picture of you in BCT and the title says "Top soldier"
In the captions you say the Yellow badge signifies that you were one of three men to get this award for being outstanding in training.
I found a site about the BCT training at Fort Jackson, South Carolina.
The site had Comments by Recruits and Drill Sergeants.
One Drill Instructor  who was there from 1978 said
"Yellow Badges were a sign that a RECRUIT HAD GRADUATED BCT"
There is No Indication that the Yellow Badge was for Top Soldiers.

Aside from your extra PX runs for being a top soldier did you get rank or a certificate for this award?

When I was in The Marine Corps.
Those who Graduated in the TOP of their Platoon got Promotions.
(No one at that time was Guaranteed Rank at Graduation)

I was in the Top of My Platoon and Got Meritorious PFC out of Boot Camp,runner up to the Honor man.
I got a Promotion.
Did you get a Promotion or award that you could post to verify this top soldier claim?

Looking at your Bio of enlistment:
BCT grad Nov 5,1980
Nov 7-Dec 17,1980 Graduated Radio Operator school
Nov 1980 Mr Wagner Joins Fort Gordon Flight Club
Dec 15 ,1980 Mr Wagner gets a letter of good standing from the Flight club.
(Basically letter states that Mr Wagner Joined the club and as a Military Member the Fee for joining was waived)
Dec 18 ,1980 Lt Col sends letter on behalf of James Wagner to attend FLIGHT TRAINING.
Dec 22,1980 congress man Badham sends leter of inquiry to army on behalf of Mr Wagner.
Feb 24,1980 Reply to Congressman:
Interesting read from the letter from the army to the Cogressman

"Because of the specific responsibilities of Warrant Officers,Applicants for this option must meet Higher Standards than for ordinary enlistment,AND COMPETITION FOR THE AVAILABLE SPACES IS INTENSE."

Mr Wagner Completed the Flight Apptitude Selection Test and was Medically Accepted.

"However ,during his enlistment process,Mr Wagner selected another option and enlisted on ACTIVE DUTY.CONSEQUENTLY his APPLICATION for WOFT was NO LONGER CONSIDERED."

"Mr Wagner MAY APPLY for IN SERVICE WOFT Space.We Suggest he see his Personnel Officer for Assistance."

There is No Mention in Any Letter than MR Wagner Gave Up His Spot in WOFT.
There is No Mention of a Spot to be Had,just that competition for such spots was INTENSE.

I bet there was no mistake that Mr Wagner went active.
He took the Warrant Officer Test and Physical and was probably told Slots were SLIM to NONE and that he had a better shot once he completed Advanced Training.

That is why he joined the Flight Club.
That is Why his CO sent a letter of recommendation for him to attend Flight school as SOON as He Graduated Radio Operators School.
He then contacted his Congressman to expidite his getting into Flight Training.
The Army even says he may apply as an In Service member for the WOFT program,as MOST Warrant Officers DO.

I was Right,the weight of Humping that PRC77 got to him and he wanted out of that job.
He could not wait to be an NCO as is the ussual rank to apply to WO school.
So he wanted OUT period.

Right JW???

Another embellished Misinformation story.

Just look at the time line of how fast you moved to get out of that Radio Operator job.




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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2008, 10:18:14 PM »


I understand that this stuff seems over the top.

I see it as if the questions and poking holes in his stories stop,he will rise back up and conduct business as usual,with all this momentum being just a road bump that will become a way to further justify the BS.

If enough questions are raised here,on other forums and on Black Belt and Budo sites then there is one of two options to take for JW,answer the charges of being a phony or melt away.

Look at Hocks Summary.

This summary is only the tip of the iceberg.

His whole background is HSS.
His certificates are one and two day events from other HSS Instructors.

His background is like the way he drummed up business after he some how took over HSS jobs.
He Writes:
If you cannot get into SWAT or Elite units then attend the one and two day courses and develop a BACK DOOR way to get in.
Get Courses, Certificates Information on how to become what you dreamed of.

This is what JW has done Back Doored his way into a Position of  Appearing to Be a Legit Operator and he is FAR from That.

It is a joke that a kid attends a camp with Inosanto and then takes a couple classes and starts teaching JKD.
An 18 Year Old tries to back door his way into the Military in an attempt to become a pilot and when the dream is not in his future he opts out and Uses that as the Start of his Credibility.
How he becomes a Corrections Officer with life and Death challenges daily,only to be in truth a guy in a 6 hour or less police jail.
Then he finds HSS and slides in with a Military and Corrections back ground with a supposed Instructorship in JKD (all bogus) and becomes HSS chief Hand to hand Combat Instructor,and this opens the door to massive BS as being an instructor he goes to the other REAL DEAL guys courses and gets paper work that becomes the base of this house of cards.
Through HSS he slides into the Police ,then into a TOC job with SWAT.
(He tells us he did 5 years in SWAT,even if in the TOC,what did he do for regular duties as SWAT/TOC is not on call or stand by 24/7 they perform other work,what was his??)
Then he was called up by the Government to do Counter Terrorism duties.
(he volunteered,git the training ,stayed a few months and left)
He was falling off the map
(One gig in the US teaching his course for 2008)
He reinvents himself as a Patriot,civilian Soldier a member of the CSMR,a one day a month donut eating Militia member.

It is all smoke and Mirrors ,all Misinformation that is finally being called on for what it is BS.

Mr Wagner mentioned me in Blitz.
I responded on POWNET.
Mr Wagner and his dedicated told the people at POWNET to check me out,so my post is down and his phony full page of stories stays up till I am found to be what I say and the post goes back up,in several weeks,or I am not what I say and the Post never gets read.

Well you come at me ,I come at you,this is the way I live and play.

This is also the way I think Hock,Joe and others whom Mr Wagner has mentioned or insinuated at,men with Integrity live.
Leave us alone,if you cross the line then be ready to pay the price.

Men and Women in the Military,the Police,the Government and in Life Risking occupations lay it on the line everyday for Real and for some quitter to come along and be recognized by some and then forced down these REAL DEAL peoples throats as an Expert superior to them in his vast ,BS,knowledge is a joke.

Again,Sorry if these posts seem over the top.
I hope people understand the need to expose the BS.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2008, 02:28:30 PM »

The Majority of the Courses taught to Police,Military and Foreign Police and Militaries were done under the HSS Banner.
Jim Wagner was a Hand to Hand Instructor for HSS and NOT The ONLY One either.
Most of Wagners certifications came from his attending one and two day classes given by OTHER  QUALIFIED Police and Military instructors within HSS.
The Scout Sniper training that Wagner claims when he says he was WITH SWAT,NOT ON a SWAT TEAM,was a two day certificate he got with HSS,not from any Police or Military Training.
(even though he produces an unsigned USMC Certificate)

Go enter WAY BACK Machine in your computers search box then enter
www.hikestalkshoot.com 
and see who they trained BEFORE Jim wagner came along.
(Surprisingly it is the SAME List He,JW,uses.)

Question for JW:
Hey Jim
On your site under RB NEWS  2007
You have an article on two books in German.

You also have a picture of a hand with STAGE Blood which says:

"Many Original ideas,Like the Use of stage Blood,are found in the Book."

AGAIN,
The use of STAGE Blood is not new
NOR
IS IT YOUR ORIGINAL IDEA.
Stage Blood and ,Blood like materials have been used in Training in the Military for Decades to Centuries,Well before ,you,your parents or grand parents were born.

Stage Blood in the form of Animal Blood and guts were used in Plays as far back as 1376 to add realism.

Again, Johnny Kuhl and Others used Stage Props AND Stage Blood in the late 1960's and the use of stage items was talked about in Johnny Kuhl's mags as well as other mags which spoke of his and others ,who used it ,training equipment.

NOTHING You,Mr Wagner,Have Done is a Self Creation or Original Idea of YOURS ,it is all a copy repackaged and then said to be created by you.


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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2008, 09:08:00 AM »

So....does anybody know anything about this Jim Wagner guy?
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2008, 12:05:46 PM »

Yeh, but Paul Daniels can realy do magic though, huh?
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2008, 12:31:30 PM »

INFIDEL!!!
The only one who has the real magic is CHRIS ANGEL. Repent your vile ways... ;D
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2008, 03:28:29 PM »

Popoff is still around.  http://www.peterpopoff.org/pp.html

It is amazing how people will continue to drink the kool aid even when you tell them about the poison.  Wagner will continue to have business in some way shape or form.  A sucker is born every minute.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2008, 03:34:25 PM »

Hi Jim,

JW how about explaining the German Knife and Jim Wagner GSG9 book ? Book ever get written ?
Who is the author Juliet Womack to you ? Is she a German author ? Or Does she work in a school in the US ? What other books has she published as she is listed as a German book publisher and author. Friend of your wife ?

Who is the woman Juliet Womack who is supposed to be a GERMAN BOOK PUBLISHER ?
She is supposed to be doing a Book,or has done  a book,(where is it) about "Knives of the German special forces"?

You are supposed to be a Prime part of the Book and how the Germans have taken on YOUR Knife Fighting course and made it the main concept of there training,Right ? Where is that book found?
Does she - Juliet - live in Germany?

Is her full time occupation Book Publisher?
         or
Does She live and work in Irvine CALIFORNIA? Does her Mother,Debbie, Know YOUR WIFE?
Very illustrious career for a current 25 year old, 22-23 when she was supposed to be writing/publishing books on German Special Forces Knives ?

Hey Jim
Why did you SELL your shares/LEAVE HSS,LOL ?
Where you short changing your PARTNERS on jobs you were doing without telling them ?

OH Boy, the next one is good Jim:
The "SCOUT SNIPER" Certificate you have on your site:
Where did it come from?

DID YOU CREATE IT for HSS? (you ,your computer and your graphic art skills seem to do A LOT,lol)
You brought them to HSS courses and gave them out for the courses HSS Ran.
There is NO SIGNATURE because YOU CREATED it.

LOL

Jim,Jim,Jim.
I told you people out there know stuff about you and just needed a reason and place to talk. There is LOADS more Jim.
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2008, 07:09:08 AM »

More Wagner Dirt You want, more Wagner Dirt can be found.

Hey Jim:

You claim to have been on Sheriff Mike Carona's Body Guard Detail,Right.
Did you really work in that position ?
How did you come to work for Sheriff Carona after your exit from Costa Mesa PD ?
Is it true that Sheriff Corana hired members and made them RESERVE Officers with LITTLE to ZERO Background Investigation?

Is it true that MANY working for Sheriff Mike Carona had isssues with USING False Identification and Misleading the public as to their Rank and or Duty Status Levels (being Reserve Officers) ?
How and why did you have to Leave as a Reserve Deputy Sergeant ??

Oh yeah, you resigned to become an Air Marshall - I mean Counter Terrorism Specialist hired on by the government.

How did you come to become a sergeant in the Reserve Officer Program?
Was it earned with time and Hard Work? Was it Earned do to Past Experience from Costa Mesa as you claim?
     or
Did you befriend a Woman, a certain Pam ,who wanted to help you out with credibility in your quest to be able to claim the Rank of Sergeant for your Business,and she got/gave you that rank?

These questions are just some. There are MANY More.

And EVERY Day the Information Grows.

Everyday we read of people in positions of Public Trust who Break the Law and are Given an Opportunity to Resign rather than the Position being Taken/Terminated from them and some how this also fills the need to not have to be prosecuted.


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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2008, 07:19:40 AM »

There is a Lot that will soon come out in the Trial of Sheriff Carona and OTHERS,reaching back to people who worked for Sheriff Mike Carona going back to the start 1999.



http://www.lagunajournal.com/more_new_allegations_of_harassme.htm

Deputy Bud Hood was arrested in November of 2000 for soliciting the services of a prostitute during a sting operation outside a Las Vegas motel. Hood was one of the first deputies in the Sheriff’s Department to support Mike Carona in his bid for sheriff and has become a close personal friend of the sheriff and his family. He was rewarded by being assigned to the Dignitary Protection detail over the strenuous objections of the supervisor and other members of the team.
According to his own grand jury testimony, Hood who formerly worked on the sheriff’s auto-theft detail. He didn’t tell the grand jury he was once arrested during an encounter with a Las Vegas prostitute. According to grand jury records  Jaramillo frequently gave Hood film to develop. The film contained nude pictures of dozens of women, including the assistant sheriff’s wife, sister-in-law, several secretaries and at least one county employee. Internal Affairs   

http://www.lagunajournal.com/stephen_mensinger_an_o.htm

The confrontation came at a time when Carona was weathering a series of scandals within his reserve program, including the misuse of credentials.

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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2008, 07:22:28 AM »

Hey Jim
Did you ever TRY/ATTEMPT to join the LAPD ?
After you resigned,lol, from the Air Marshall program,did you attempt to join the LAPD ?
With your background and experiences I wonder why they did not Take you ?
Background check,maybe the key word ?



(In Germany, Bokker advertises that Jim Wagner was a Los Angeles police officer)
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2008, 01:27:03 PM »

I would say that the daily revisions of his bio on his website are a pretty good indicator he's reading these posts.  

Jim, why don't you tell everyone what happened with the Phoenix, Oregon Police Department?  That's a story in a half.  

"Wagner thought he needed to be sergeant though? Somewhere. Anywhere. Wagner asked an old HSS contact, then a police officer in Phoenix, Oregon, if he could possibly be on their police reserves and be sergeant so he could...call himself a sergeant. The friend said yes, providing the Californian Wagner, at very least, would flew up and attend annual training. This was a real stretch because any kind of policing requires in-state residency and an in-state, drivers license. The HSS guy really went out on a limb so Wagner could say he was a sergeant. Wagner never attended the training and the stressed Phoenix officer requested the credentials back several times. Wagner offered him a Wagner Bokker Knife in trade of the Reserves training. No deal. The officer reports that only after much coercion, did Wagner surrender the Phoenix reserve credentials."

Jeff C
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Re: Jim Wagner training
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2008, 04:28:49 PM »

Here is some proof of Wagner reading this forum:

quote from Wagners site (as of 8/25/08)

"For all of these reasons combined Jim Wagner resigned from the federal government on September 11, 2002; the one year anniversary of 9/11. Had he stayed on with the program he was to have flown to New York City for a mission. Instead he spent his last day on an HSS International event up at the Burro Canyon Gun Range attending an Israeli firearms course taught by his good friend Major Avi Nardia of the Israel Defense Force (Reserve).

A couple of months later, on January 21, 2003, Jim Wagner formed his own company and started the Jim Wagner Reality-Based Personal Protection system. "

Now Jim had said before that he signed up for the Air Marshal Program right after 9/11.
9/11 was 2001.

Wagner had said he left the air Marshall program on the first anniversary 2003.
first anniversary would have been 2002 ,as I pointed out in my questions on this forum.

I had said ,on this site,that WEagner said he had been gone from the Air Marshall program when he taught the august 2003 course in NY.
Wagner had written that he was still in the Air Marshall program when he taught the course in 2003 in NY but made his RESIGNATION,lol,for Sept 11.
Again that would have been 2003

Wagner said he flew FAM Missions for 1 year.
If we look at his Certifications for the Air Marshall program dated the end of March 2002 and we see where he went to California for a break in period before he actually flew a mission in April 2002
So Wagner started flying in May and was gone by Sept.
6 months on the job Start to finish becoames a year and 146 missions??

In the quote above Jim says he spent the last day as an air Marshall,on 9/11 shooting at an HSS course with Avi Nardia.
NO Checking out for your last day ??
Checking out where you resign,sign your badge and gear back in and sign the papers to FORMALLY Leave the Command?
No check out because the weapons and badge had been GONE by then.
(Was that also Jim's Last Days with HSS before he SOLD his shares,LOL)

If you also look at where Jim had recently mentioned HSS well now,after the question was asked on this forum about classes he took and taught for HSS ,now there is a LONG List of classes  he took and taught at HSS.

YES JIM IS READING THIS SITE
and
CHANGING HIS BIO DAILY
to keep up
LOL
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Re: Jim Wagner of Black Belt, Training
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2010, 06:19:54 AM »

Don't forget to visit:

www.jimwagner.org


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Re: Jim Wagner of Black Belt, Training
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2010, 06:25:26 PM »

Here is great piece on Jim ,has a lot of the older stuff.
He has not gotten around to changing this page yet,lol.

Here is good piece that shows Jim's BS.(in the Jim Wagner today section of the piece)
He claims to have been a Bodyguard to Brad and Angelina at their Home in Malibu in 2006.
LOL
Brad and Angelina were not staying in the home as of 2006.
Jim and his FRIEND were BODY GUARDING an EMPTY HOME ?
Jim were you doing work as a SECURITY GUARD/House sitter,LOL.

What BS this guy spins.
http://www.realitybased.at/files/jim_wagner.html
"...in the beginning of 2006 Jim Wagner accepted a two-week assignment where he and another bodyguard protected movie stars Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie at the Malibu home."


Actually, empty home:
In 2006, Brangelina deserted the Malibu property and made Brad’s Los Feliz compound, which is located on a private gated road, their primary LA residence.
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Re: Jim Wagner of Black Belt, Training
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2010, 08:01:38 AM »

A few readers wondered about Wagner's use of California State Military Reserves uniform in that Black Belt magazine cover and photo piece January, 2008, where Wagner actually said he was in his "dramatic," army combat uniform. Wagner told his reserves headquarters any photos would be used as a recruitment tool. But there was no mention of the CSMR in the article, no link to recruitment and the CSMR did not like it all.

CMSR E-4 Raymond Fellers states, “If you are talking about the 10 JAN 2008 memo distributed by the G5, the article and photographs were NOT approved. The memo implies that the SGT (Wagner) was given approval to work with the magazine but was required to submit the article with photographs for final approval before publication. Obviously he did not do so.”

A CSMR sargeant first class then reports - “The pictures and the actual article were not pre-approved by HQ. The photos give a misleading/false impression of the activities of the CSMR. Also, what he (Wagner) won't tell you is that at the last three law enforcement agencies he was with, he left under less than desirable conditions. No, he wasn't fired, but pretty much "leave or else" kind of thing.”

Sounds like the deceptive word of Wagner's checkered past had already reached them by June, 2008. I mean nothing at all against the CSMR, but our "front line, terrorist-fighter hero," Wagner selected the only reserve unit that CANNOT go to war or leave California. What a waste of this amazing hero and world-renown, sought-after, tactical genius!

Read more...http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1120002010001/m/6300063161001
(The link for this old and lost, as talk forums disappear. In a real pinch, it can be researched up for validity)

p.s. Those photos, or the uniform is worn in yet another photo-shoot in Melbourne, were also used in Australia's Blitz magazine. Wonder if CMSR HQ knows about this Blitz photo shoot?
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Re: Jim Wagner of Black Belt, Training
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2010, 11:52:41 AM »

In case you haven't seen this...
The 27 April, 2010 addition....
Some serious shit has hit the fan....

They have collected documents from the Feds, a Wagner letter, written by himself, complaining about the seizure of his badge, gun and credentials from the Air Marshals.

They report that Wagner's home was searched/"inspected' by Federal investigators and computers searched. Wagner was forging airport security documents. He was toast. This makes him a federal forgery felon suspect? What? He cut a deal to resign....

And very, very shortly after? Wagner...resigned. Wagner actually only worked for a few months after the FAM academy, then he committed these things. There is nothing left but to watch Wagner shape-shift (lie) once again to ooze around this.

Hock

(in the last few months, Me Shape-Shifter has shifted. Wagner now claims that it was "normal" for FAM to collect the ID, badge, gun etc. because he would resign soon. This is another Wagner cover-up lie. He was under forgery investigation. It would seem that Wagner really wants his ignorant customers to think he was a successful marshal, I mean "counter-terrorism agent.") 
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Re: Jim Wagner of Black Belt, Training
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2010, 12:33:20 PM »

The truth is the truth.  Time to put an end to all of the crazy explanations that come from Wagner and air out the truth.  I went ahead and exposed the issues with Orange County Sheriff's Department and his termination there too.  Lots of good work.  Enjoy.

Respectfully,

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