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Author Topic: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?  (Read 6932 times)

neljohn

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Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« on: June 08, 2010, 12:20:19 PM »

Hi Guys,

I was just wondering I have changed my preemptive strike. Due to the fact that it seems better when I'm training combat scenarios. Now should my new preemptive strike be tested and if so how would you advise me to do it. Do I stick to training it in the combat scenario?

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 01:45:27 PM »

I get that everyone has thier own bread and butter moves but the way you wrote makes it sound like you only have one move? to quote Hock id use the who, what, when, where and why method to come up with mutiple pre emptive strikes.

 
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neljohn

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 02:16:48 PM »

Canuk

No I have a few favourites, but I use to be more of a closed fist puncher, now I like to use open hand strikes and so on. But I want a realistic as possible approach to testing them if you like. So was wondering if the combat scenario is the way to go?

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 10:05:19 PM »

All hand strikes have a "sucker punch" application (which is like a non-telegraphed pre-empt strike) So do do all weapon quick draws and some kicks. Building non-telegraphed strikes (is a deception) and is vital practice.


All these should be practiced

1) solo "in the air"  (checking overall body synergy)

2) solo, hitting objects (like heavy bags, etc,)

3) partner drill, the trainer:
         - offers an easy, stable target
         - then flashes a target
         - then for suckers and pre-empts, gives advice to see if you are telegraphing

4) partner drills "While holding"
         - your one arm is wrapped by a trainer, you strike his other hand holding a mitt
         - you wrap his one arm and he holds a mitt with the other for your striking
         - all strikes and kicks while also holding knives, guns and sticks/batons

5) partner drill combat scenarios

6) all of the above, standing, kneeling/sitting and on the ground


If you are going to bother to do one? You need to do them all, all the way.

Choosing the pre-emptive is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT upon each situation. Thinking one will solve all problems is not good. The pre-emptive strike is also dependent upon the position/stance you are in right before the strike.


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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2010, 09:29:00 AM »

Thanks for the sound advice guys!
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whitewolf

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2010, 12:23:19 PM »

Nel-good sound info from the guys who responded- the 5 w,s are very important-
I have taken a couple seminars from Hock and as a result (both from him and a few others) i have inserted what i call "interception" where immediately a preemtive strike
using palm to facial area is initiated and then continue using follow up attack untill
in control and able to disengage or finish the fight.

as Hock has repeated over the years-keep it simple (but not to simple)- ;D

I have lots of first time students who are professional students, professors,housewifes-
they all can initiate the "interception" after only one or two lessons as if comes easily

if you want i can discribe it-

No fancy Kung fu louie moves- here-

stay  safe  whitewolf (el lobo blanco) speed of light


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neljohn

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 01:44:37 AM »

WW yes a description would be great please..

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whitewolf

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 05:15:38 AM »

OK- one sanario would be---as SOON as the attackers start to come to both sides of the throat area- the victim takes either hand with the palm as the wpn and shoots it to the facial area (between the opponents arms)-striking and then stabbing with extended fingers to eye area-other hand in a guard position next to own head ready to palm also- object is to at least temp blind the attacker so further attack can be followed up or so the victim can leave the area- the object is not to get into a grappling clinching struggle-
 when working with the student this movement becomes very fast and easy to learn-
as you work with them you add knee strike or double hand behind head grab and repeated knees OR grab behind head and spin the attacker around while kneeing to get him off balance-

hope that helps -this tactic comes from the wolfie play book of hurting the opponent
so you can go home-  ;)
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 01:51:23 PM »

Thanks WW we'll try it!
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whitewolf

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2010, 07:13:52 PM »

Nel- also try by adding steping past after kneeing or palming and sweep opponent to ground then arm your foot by lifting it and if needed stomp...dont go to ground.
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 08:59:53 AM »

A Preemptive strike is when you feel the threat is real and or the opponent is about to act,the preemption is YOU firing off before the opponent is able to start to launch.
So it is a response to a threat ,not a response to the opponents having already launched his attack.
We are acting not reacting.

Example:
You are approached by an attacker.
He/she gets close and tell you they want your money.
He/she has their hand behind their back and tell you they will kill you if you do not comply.
You decide to act rather than comply.
You move in at angle away from the hand behind the back and you throw a "sucker punch",be it a punch, a palm heel,an eye strike or what ever.
You have initiated the contact due to the belief that the attacker's threat was real.

Sorry but interception is a reaction to an opponents action,it is good to train but it is different than Preemption.

Preemption is firing off first,the good old "sucker punch".
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 09:24:58 AM »

Interception-preemption-different words -same basic meaning-strike before he strikes-
watch the body language and if it is comming or he says i am going to-----then attack.
I use the word interception because the class understands it-they know to get ahead of the attcker- also-we start a lot from the position of attacker puts hands around throat or grabs a hand or shoulder-the victim intercepts-and continues the attack- the intercept is a
shock-so they can continue.

so-i.e.-we start from the position of hands around throat-
vctim immediately Intercepts to face with palm strike-then stabbing with extended fingers into eyes-then continues tactic by escaping or more strikes.

We mention lady is entering womans room-or leaving a building or walking past alley way
and is grabbed-then Intercept is initiated. We also stand back to back -one is attacker they come around start the attack-victim responds- jmho- WW
 
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 02:24:43 PM »

Great replies guys!!!!

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2010, 08:07:29 PM »

I"nterception-preemption-different words -same basic meaning-strike before he strikes..."-



Think of it this in terms of football...

- Preemption is tackling the quarterback BEFORE he throws the ball.

- Interception is catching the ball AFTER its thrown - when the "wrong, unintended event
  occurs and the wrong person caches the ball.

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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2010, 09:57:16 PM »

Hock-sematics-the student is taught to turn from victim to attacker-by getting ahead of the other one-they feel see hear or are warned -they initiate the strike-not wait untill they are getting smacked- :)- but ill defer to your discriptions of the words-ww
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2010, 09:48:49 AM »

direct and most effective with timing,speed and power
« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 09:59:37 AM by Crafty »
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2010, 10:36:59 AM »

Dont forget surprize!
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2010, 08:21:01 PM »

Don't think too hard, just make sure whatever you do is a committed strike. One you initiate you have to follow through.
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 05:05:08 PM »

Rut- really agree on your statement-if the victim strikes and then stops before the
attacker is finished he will retaliate and the victim may be done for- WW
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Re: Choosing a pre-emptive strike?
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 09:28:27 PM »

A pre-emptive strike truly depends on the opponent.   


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The knee, the ankle, the ear cup, the nose, the jaw, the throat, etc., etc., etc.   I like to strike with me kicks as much as with hands and elbows. 


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