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Bryant

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Push Knives
« on: April 14, 2005, 10:22:54 PM »

I have recently developed an interest in push knives

specifically > http://www.mercworx.com/seraphym.html

I imagine with this type of knife any linear punching
technique can be transformed into a knife technique

anyone care to share their opinion?
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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2005, 08:06:20 AM »

 I always thought that they were a good idea. BUT.They are limited to pretty much thrusting.
I read somewhere that courts tend to see slashes and cuts as defensive and stabs as offensive in nature. So that may come back on the user. Also ,they can kind of work the inside of the fingers bracing the blade stem.Trying to get decent slashes was a chore as the unit can twist in your hand. Not much,but enough to turn the cut. I worked with a cold stell double edged version.In holding the unit it seemed fine. But when I worked it over on a piece of rolled carpet, a couple problems popped up. First,its just not that steady,had to really postion myself for a thrust-punch. The unit isnt really stable in a ballistic situation. You get jumped and are trying to get in position,while somebody is working you over. Cant do a number of techniques due to this limitation.Also on the slash, the blade didnt have any follow through.Due to not having a handle.
This isnt to dump on cold steel, Its just a push dagger thing,I hope they understand.
also again in the aftermath, if you survive the encounter it would suck to get in trouble because your"push DAGGER" (as the prosecution would call it),scared a jurior.
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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2005, 08:07:38 AM »

Don't.


There are much better options...
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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2005, 02:30:34 PM »

If you're interested in push knives, take a look at my post headed "HideAway Knife" .  Brand new concept, probably unbeatable vis-a-vis concealability, carry options, ability to keep hold of blade, even with an open hand.  Or see for yourself at HideAwayKnife.com.

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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2005, 04:16:57 PM »

Push knives, like Kerambits, balisongs, and to a slightly lesser sense, daggers have little to no utilitarian use. I imagine they would be looked on very poorly when judged by a jury of one's peers. Even the most "tactical" looking of the one-handed locking folders look much more "normal" to sheeple.

Regarding the HideAway - mine should be arriving this week and am looking forward to having something nice that can legally be carried into Federal buildings.

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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2005, 01:15:35 PM »

Trembula... could you give a product review..these are pricey but they look interesting on the website..thanks
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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2005, 02:10:38 PM »

I will, but first I have to get out of the hospital - I should have my hands on mine early next week.

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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2005, 02:23:26 PM »

I have always considered push knives to be an assassins weapon.  They are tremendously concealable and your opponent is not likely to realize you have a knife until he is cut.  They tend to suffer on range, however, so I think their use is largely limited to situations when you have surprise on your side, not a reactive situation when the other guy already has his knife out.

There is an easy way to decide the debate - make yourself a push knife trainer and have the guys you work out with attack you and see how well it works in knife vs. knife, knife vs. stick and knife vs. unarmed.  Try it as the attacker(initiator) and as the defender and see what its realm is.
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Re: Push Knives
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2005, 08:13:58 AM »

From everything i read and hear, if you ever have to use a knife in self defense,legally speaking, some knifes are better than others. Push daggers just look like weapons of assasination. A lawyer might have a field day with it. But then again, carrying any knife will give a lawyer a lot to smear you with. I own two. I used to carry one regularly, but I could never really find a comfortable carry. As far as bringing the knife into play, IMO, any fixed blade is better than a folder.I have done scenarios and have found fixed blades easier to access. Good info on the push and how it feels on impact. I never tried it, but it makes sense.
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