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Author Topic: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?  (Read 8053 times)

sarguy

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Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« on: July 24, 2010, 05:32:41 AM »

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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 05:52:53 PM »

Hojutsu or hojitsu was included in the ninjas' training program. But I don't think they are as refined as the one we do today, which is modern day hojitsu or gun fu.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 07:03:51 PM »

Hojutsu or hojitsu was included in the ninjas' training program. But I don't think they are as refined as the one we do today, which is modern day hojitsu or gun fu.

Yeah, Soke Hall mentioned that on the website. In asking around, a couple of firearms intructors I used to work with have trained with him. Said he's a good teacher. They had no idea he was incorporating the martial arts aspect into his curriculum.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2010, 04:15:24 PM »

He ain't no ninja...
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 11:37:08 AM »

He ain't no ninja...

That's actually comforting to hear. What I meant to say was that Soke Hall's site has a bit of history of the Japanese "Fire techniques" aka hojutsu as they pertained to armed forces of the day. No specific allusions to Ninjas, Samurai, or Chuck Norris.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 12:44:56 PM »

The only Official EVIL ninja!

I'm so freakin' jealous! :P

Seriously, I checked out the website...looked like good stuff. I liked the guy's writing style to boot. I'll put him on my "When I meet this fella, I need to listen" list.

Short list, BTW.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 04:10:36 PM »

very interesting info-
also- Vic- I really like that statement "everyone has a plan till they are punched in the mouth "by MT
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 04:15:21 PM »

IMO this is a bit strange.

Not that I don't consider firearms training to be a martial art, firearms use is obviously a martial art.  There are even different styles like Cowboy Action Shooting, Modern Technique, point shooting, etc.

The strange part is trying to make it into a traditional Japanese system.  Gis, belts, kyu/dan ranking, bowing, etc. make sense if you are teaching a traditional Japanese or Okinawan system, but if not, why bother with it?

It is also strange to name the system "Hojutsu Ryu."  Hojutsu would be the type of system, like jujutsu, kenjutsu, bojutsu, etc. rather than the name of a specific ryu.  A school might be called "___________ Ryu Jujutsu" but not "Jujutsu Ryu."  

I guess if someone wanted to do this, the Modern Technique could be called "Cooper Ryu Hojutsu." :D

I haven't seen the system, so it might be effective, but just have a strange way of organizing their system.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 04:18:51 PM »

Traditional hojutsu involved using matchlocks, cannon, black powder explosives, and even wooden fougasse-like weapons.

Sometimes it might have been part of another system, but it could be highly developed.  I've read accounts of even groups of priests/monks from militant temples who were highly skilled at matchlocks.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 06:10:14 PM »

Ahhh...I should have guessed that the Official Evil Ninja was making a reference to said Ninjaness. In all seriousness, that's gotta be one of the coolest professional titles out there. Screw your PhDs, MDs, and all that! I wanna be an O.E.N.!

Mr. Liu, now that you point the name thing out, you're right, "________" Ryu Hojutsu does seem to be more in keeping, but my guess is that the art as it related to guns has been largely defunct for so long, no one saw a need to differentiate, or even considered having to differentiate between Cooper and whoever else.

I would bet that since Soke Hall has Dan rankings in a few different arts, the juxtaposition of the Japanese customs and sensibilities found in those arts onto shooting was useful both in fleshing out the desire to "legitimize" shooting as a belt-able martial art as well as a way of conveying a recognized level of accomplishment. Everyone knows what having a "black belt" means.
The Pistol Kata: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=9564963

And, he's (somewhat) local to me. Might have to check a class out at some point.
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 08:16:36 PM »

Sarguy-if you attend a class please let us know-reolizing that this kata is different than being unarmed it still makes sense to me- as said its the concept that is important-
kata with a knife-kata with boxing movements-and in other styles- i think (imho) that it helps-shadowboxing is sort of a kata-as is in traditional judo.
anyhow let us know- thanks WW
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2010, 04:54:43 PM »

No offense intended... :P
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Re: Hojutsu: Martial Art of the Gun...Shodan in shooting?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 01:15:35 AM »

No offense intended... :P

No worries. Like I said, I missed the inside joke about ninjas earlier. ;)
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