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[Kentbob]

As well he should.  There's no call for that sort of disrespect, and it reflects badly on the rest of us who like CrossFit, as well as CrossFit gyms around the country.  Just like dissing someone who can't complete an MA workout as a pussy.  I hate that piss-poor management.

Along those same lines, a guy at the gym this morning felt a twinge in his neck.  So what does he do?  He keeps doing the WOD.  WTF?!  There's a time to drive on, but it's not when you're in pain in the gym.  He was in so much pain that he could barely drive home.


Kent

[whitewolf]

I agree with Kent-on both statements- first-the managers of the class should be labled
as "stupid"-if the class is open to the public then its for everyone at their level.

As far as the guy who was hurt-not much to say- he shold have slowed down and not injury himself-

When i get a new student-besides having them sign a weivor stating whats wrong if anything with them I ask at the start of classes -How is everyone tonight-if someone says for example-- -leg bothers me- we insure we take it easy on that limb-

WW

[Dawg]

Talked to two Cross fitters last weekend. One was a very, young fit guy who simply does the new list of WOD exercises listed on a webpage each day. He loves it.

The other was an Army vet, in his 40s, good shape, who has several injuries. He attended classes and could not do a percentage of the exercises do to the injuries each day. He was dissed as a pussy. He quit the classes due to this attitude.

That's a shame about the Army vet; I've met a couple of Cross Fitters with the "elitist" attitude. You're always going to find a couple in every crowd at the gym. The serious powerlifters ("You need to add some real weight to that if you want to get stronger!"), the bodybuilders ("Oh no, you need to go all the way to failure with that set if you want to get pumped!"), and now the Cross Fitter ("If it ain't Cross Fit, it's sh*t!").
Whatever.

Hopefully, if he liked the Cross Fit program, he'll find some folks around his own age and fitness level and do the WOD with them. He could even do the WOD on his own; I see lots of folks doing that at our gym. You don't need to be part of a class.

Doesn't really matter what type of fitness you're in to; if you work out at a public gym you're always going to run into one of those elitist type of folks: "If it isn't my way, well...you're just WRONG!"

There's more good folks at the gym than bad, so just keep pluggin' along. That's really what it's all about anyway. Just keep on training and learning. All the rest of the crap...it's just noise.

[VicMackey]

The Army's review is a joke.  In six months, if they even get around to publishing the results, it will be something along the lines of "FM 21-20 is sufficient for the soldiers' physical fitness needs.  Our findings indicate that so called 'high-intensity' programs are counterproductive to soldiers' physical readiness."  At a guess, anyway.  I have been wrong before.


Kent

I wouldn't worry about the Army as the Navy is much far behind in physical fitness. In all my 15 yrs. and in some of the command PT sessions I have been to, they are a pure joke. They focus too much on cardio and less on strength and flexibility. Again, I am only referring to regular commands, not SpecWar or EOD as they do way more PT than the average sailor.
I have also seen time and time again in the gym that stretching/flexibility/nutrition are often the neglected aspects of physical conditioning.  
When it comes to doing neck bridges at the gym,  the patrons wince at it (I like the looks on those faces of awe or feeling intimidated) and ask me, "Gee, doesn't that hurt?" I reply, "Yes, if you have never done it before or don't know what you're doing." Again, you can't judge a person's exercise program as his/her needs may be different from yours.

[VicMackey]

Talked to two Cross fitters last weekend. One was a very, young fit guy who simply does the new list of WOD exercises listed on a webpage each day. He loves it.

The other was an Army vet, in his 40s, good shape, who has several injuries. He attended classes and could not do a percentage of the exercises do to the injuries each day. He was dissed as a pussy. He quit the classes due to this attitude.

That's a shame about the Army vet; I've met a couple of Cross Fitters with the "elitist" attitude. You're always going to find a couple in every crowd at the gym. The serious powerlifters ("You need to add some real weight to that if you want to get stronger!"), the bodybuilders ("Oh no, you need to go all the way to failure with that set if you want to get pumped!"), and now the Cross Fitter ("If it ain't Cross Fit, it's sh*t!").
Whatever.

Hopefully, if he liked the Cross Fit program, he'll find some folks around his own age and fitness level and do the WOD with them. He could even do the WOD on his own; I see lots of folks doing that at our gym. You don't need to be part of a class.

Doesn't really matter what type of fitness you're in to; if you work out at a public gym you're always going to run into one of those elitist type of folks: "If it isn't my way, well...you're just WRONG!"

There's more good folks at the gym than bad, so just keep pluggin' along. That's really what it's all about anyway. Just keep on training and learning. All the rest of the crap...it's just noise.

I really could care less about what others in the gym think of my workouts. But if anyone asks for advice or gives compliments, I am open. Sometimes, they even want to learn what I am doing on the heavybag and I give them pointers when I take a break. In a previous post, I told about a fellow bodybuilder sailor who dissed the "8 to Hate" workout saying it's too easy. So, I challenged him to try it out at the ship's gym (on deployment at that time). He agreed to try it and couldn't even do the first workout of 1 set of 100 Hindu Squats (that's even considered a minimum amount of squats to me) as he almost passed out. Again, he shouldn't judge what he doesn't know.

[VicMackey]

As far as my workout program goes, I do the "Gladiator Conditioning Program", which consist of "8 to Hate", "Grappler's Dozen", sandbag workout, and other additional drills. I also work on my strength using kettlebell and barbell weights. I also have a weight machine at home but is only used on easy days (again, the exercises are combat specific just like the free weights). For cardio, I also run, do self-defense drills, work the bag, and use the elliptical or rowing machine.

[TLE]

That is unfortunate. That attitude is not a general one. If you talk to crossfitters most will say scale the workouts as needed. Personally, i don't do any barbell squats , deads or benches. You can get plenty strong using moderate weights, dumbbells and bodyweihgt exersises. I brake it down to 10 minute warmup, 20- 30 minute intense wo and 5 minutes streching- 45 minutes max. 3 days on 1 off Shift the focus from GPP to strength each wo  occaisionally test yourself with timed wo's or max reps to see improvement- example sets of 5 pullups, 10 pushups and 15 full bw squats - as many sets as possible in 20 minutes- great test of muscular endurance ( I did 20 sets) If you don't want to do the wod on x fitt website go thru the archives and find one you like or make one up. Example yesterday- .75 mile on the stationary bike- 15 clean and pushpress with 50% bw 5 sets for time. great workout

[Hock]

After a while, do you need Crossfit people to make up your "WOD" or workout lists?

Hock

[Kentbob]

Hock,

I would say no.  One of the things that they teach in the seminars is how to start making your own workouts.  Now that I've got some equipment and a general understanding, I usually make up my own based on what I want to do.

I try to avoid overstressing a particular area, and that's about the only rule I go by.

Kent

[Hock]

Army Times complains about CrossFit


"Rhabdo. Experts are quick to point out that most fitness routines pose far less risk for acute injury than team sports such as basketball or football. But there are risks, nonetheless — in particular, rhabdomyolsis, a serious condition in which muscles are overworked to the point of breakdown and release dangerous toxins into the bloodstream that can overwhelm your kidneys. A key factor is lack of rest or recovery time during workouts, which intensifies stress on muscles...."


http://www.armytimes.com/offduty/health/offduty-hidden-danger-of-extreme-workouts-rhabdo-100410w/

Hock

[Kentbob]

I really feel that the Army is going to be quick to disapprove anything that would claim that the established methods for doing PT are not as effective as the Army claims.

FM 21-20 is pretty old school, and very, very cautious.  Curiously, they do have a section on PNF stretching, but very little advice for kicking up the intensity of a workout other than running intervals. 

CrossFit, being very intense, I think makes the writers of FM 21-20 nervous because it is so very different from what the manual says.  For instance, I distinctly remember where it says that muscular strength and endurance training should never be combined with running on the same day.  So...that right there would throw out a bunch of CrossFit workouts.

FM 21-20 is probably good for introducing sedentary individuals to higher intensity exercise, but as far as I'm concerned, fails to adequately prepare troops for combat.

Kent

[Hock]

I remember how in the beginning of Crossfit, there were big speeches about Functional strength and folks doing exercises that related to their missions. I recall photos of soldiers carrying ammo boxes and other mission related exercises.

Now it seems that its almost an "anything goes" WOD rotation of their established list.

Hock
(Once again, I have nothing against Crossfit. Anythign that gets people off the couch to work out is a good thing. I am just curious about all the special hub-bub)

[Kentbob]

Well, honestly, I think that it takes a certain kind of person to think of some of these things.  Some of the workouts are a bit goofy.  One of the recent ones was a 100m handstand walk...the which I cannot do. 

However, if being well rounded is your goal, then one could do worse than aspire to walk on one's hands.  I saw a girl in my dance class do a hand stand walk one night...badass!  Not to mention pretty hot...

I feel it ties in directly with on of Robert Heinlein's quotes, "Specialization is for insects."  Especially in my day to day life, I do a variety of tasks, such as: split wood, shovel snow, hoe the garden, mow the lawn with a gas lawnmower, a push mower, and also a scythe, shovel manure, dig holes, walk the dog, lift heavy objects, yadda yadda.  My dad said it best, the CrossFit workouts represent the intensity with which we go about these everyday tasks. 

The bottom line for me is that it's just fun.  If it wasn't fun, I wouldn't do it, period dot.

Kent

[Kentbob]

Put up my personal best on the bench press tonight as part of the workout.  I've only done flat bench once in the past few months, and incline bench once in the same amount of time.  I pressed 305 tonight, the first time I've every done 300 or more.  Not that this is all due to CrossFit, but I think it speaks highly of the methods that we've been using at the gym, and on my own.  I feel great!


Kent