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Flatfoot6568

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Moshe Katz
« on: March 09, 2011, 11:17:14 AM »

Moshe Katz, according to many in Israel and those who know him, is nothing more than a fraud. He comes across as a very spiritual krav maga teacher, but in fact he is just another former karate teacher who jumped on the "krav bandwagon", created his own organization in order to make some money. He gives out instructor certificates for $100 a pop to those who have attended a single seminar. He is strickly in this for the money, pure and simple. And don't even get me started on his relationships with his instructors wives!

Forwarned is forearmed.
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 12:50:41 PM »

To clarify on the above post, here is the message that was sent to the members of the Israeli Krav International. There was no malice intended in this message. It was just to inform the members of what occurred and hope that it would never happen to anyone else. I had nothing to gain from this and everything to lose. I have been removed from the Instructors list of the IKI and banned from receiving anything else from the organization, even though my dues are current and I have two instructor certificates signed by Moshe Katz.

I hope this gives a heads up to any potential members/followers of this guy. More correspondence will follow.

To the IKI Members,
 
Some of you may know me and some of you I consider friends.
 
I want to state before anything else, that I considered Moshe Katz a good friend and mentor. I enjoyed being a member of the IKI and I felt a family atmosphere unlike any other organization, apart from the Police Department. It really is something unique in the world of martial arts.
 
The reason I am writing this is to inform all of you of my departure from the organization.
 
Over a week ago, my father passed away. Pretty sad indeed. He was my best friend and someone I always looked up to. I will miss him. The day after my father passed away, we were scheduled to host a two day seminar with Moshe. I felt that even though I was in the midst of family turmoil, I needed to press on and present the seminar, We had numerous IKI members from all over the country attending. So we continued on with the seminar, as Dad would have wanted me to continue with my work.
 
Moshe arrived and gave me his condolences. Six hours later, he was having an affair with my wife in the hotel I paid for. Pretty bad timing. Now, I know that there are two-way streets and I hold my wife responsible for many things. That is between her and I. But, as the head of an International Organization, who profounds himself as a man of religion, morals and ethics, I find this behavior to be reprehensible, disgusting and unforgivable. Especially the day after one of your instructors parents passed away. After denying it, Moshe finally apologized. Little does he know what he did to three small children and an entire family and school. The damage my be permanent. It appears that he had been pursuing this for some time, without my knowledge. I discovered the emails from him to my wife after the fact.
 
I have thought on this matter and was finally told by a friend of the organization to tell my fellow members. Moshe has already said that I am delusional, but I have the emails. If anyone needs clarification, please feel free to contact me.
 
I know many of you have a vested interest in the IKI and I support you all for that. It is a great system. But take it from me, do not follow anyone blindly.
 
I could say more, but I will not let my anger get the better of me. I wish you all the best of luck and continued success.
 
« Last Edit: March 10, 2011, 07:54:21 AM by Flatfoot6568 »
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whitewolf

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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 07:35:02 PM »

Thank u Kent- I wanted say essentially the same but held back-I will say if it was me I would not throw my private family matters out to the world---if all this is true then dump her and keep on going......if it is BS--its BS- WW
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 02:56:19 PM »

Never heard of 'em.
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 07:47:35 PM »

Pretty bizzare post. I know the guy must be hurting, but, ,man......
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 08:50:52 PM »

I had never heard the name of Moshe Katz in Krav Maga. I have no idea if he is legit or not. As a school owner, I'd be ashamed to send an email stating that a guy I was doing business with is banging my wife.  What is anyone supposed to do about it? It's really more of a gossip rag piece than a faker. If there are some facts about this guy advertising himself as something he's not, put them up.

I've never heard of him in Krav circles.  I'd think this would be a private personal and business matter.
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 10:10:24 AM »

I took a look at the YouTube videos of Moshe Katz.  His techniques look like a mish-mash of Krav Maga and more traditional, jujitsu-type movements.  He does not move explosively or demonstrate the technique "live," as Krav Maga instructors usually do.

The handgun from behind video, in particular, shows a Krav Maga technique, but it is not done properly.  Mr. Katz does not turn and penetrate far enough with his left foot, does not twist hard to control the weapon while throwing a big elbow, and the take-away is not done powerfully.

I didn't recognize some of the techniques at all.  This does not mean that they are bad or won't work, only that many of the movements do not fall into the mainstream Krav Maga curriculums.  Without getting into a debate about what the "real" Krav Maga is, my opinion is that any qualified instructor through KMWW, Krav Maga Alliance, IKMA, KM Global should be able to show and teach many of these techniques more effectively.
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 03:10:40 PM »

Siley- i for one appreciate your honesty in the review of Mr Katz vidios-R/S WW
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2011, 02:55:04 AM »

I can see that he didn't have not one krav maga instructor in his MA background, yet he is teaching krav maga.
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whitewolf

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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2011, 08:48:32 AM »

Dont know if  Mr Katz is authoentic or  not but he looks a little weak- ;D WW
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 06:18:54 PM »

seen link for the man on a website ,thought it was Mark Hatmaker's but i doubled checked and didn't find it .remember seeing pictures of supposedly doing seminars at US colleges,as in self defense  for women.
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2011, 09:25:31 PM »

There's a guy here in MI who's an instructor under Katz, went to train with him in Israel.  I went to a seminar when he was here, wasn't bad but quite basic.  What I understand, which may or may not be accurate, is that Katz trained under Itay Gil.  If true, he'd be legit as a practitioner but who knows about his character.  there, all I know.  And, don't really care
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2011, 07:53:38 PM »

And an update. Katz is no longer with Gil.

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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 10:03:28 AM »

Hello,

I am a friend of both Moshe Katz and Itay Gil.  It is true that Moshe is not a "student" of Itay's any longer.  However, he still goes to Jerusalem and trains/works out at the Protect gym on occasion.

I find it interesting that the person who was making the original accusations in this thread posted photos of both he AND his wife on their business facebook page in less than 72 hours after his mass email (posted above) was disseminated.  I also find it interesting that his entire business website was remade in less than a week, it would almost seem as though this person had it pre-made and ready to go with Itay's name posted all over the place BEFORE the alleged event.  Maybe?

Many people have found Itay "unobtainable" without ever having made an effort to approach him directly.  Some of those people have then signed on with Moshe's org in order to gain access to Itay then switched!  It's pretty laughable really.

I should probably also point out that Moshe and Itay's BUSINESS separation was a mutual decision.  They have separate ideals with the directions they wish to go with training and they have differing philosophies regarding business operation.  It is their private business and so I will not share what they have EACH told me first hand.

Lastly, may I please address the misunderstanding and misstatement the original poster placed here?  Moshe's Phase 1 Instructor is not much different than KMWW or any other org which use a 5 day training course for certification.  Moshe sends DVD's with the material that a Phase 1 is supposed to know.  He then requires a person to host or attend a seminar, he then evaluates them and assigns them a belt rank.  Since he only makes a couple of US tours a year, the belt ranks help him keep track of where the person was last time he saw them.  However!!!!  a person MUST have a Black Belt in another system before being granted a Phase 1 and prior to testing with him.  Early on this was not the case, but as with any organization there are lessons to be learned along the way; I am sure Mr. Hochheim can relate to that.  So many revisions have been made along the way, and revisions of revisions and so on.

Moshe was with Itay for 18+/- years as a student.  He does not show a lot of his methods explosively in video because his purpose is not to show but to teach.  He even occasionally uses a YouTube link to send out to his members in order to instruct some small part of a "technique" which is being commonly misunderstood.  It is not to boost his ego or show what he can do.  Granted, he is less dynamic than others, he sometimes talks more than is needed, but his sincere desire is to get the material into the hands of his clients for a price FAR below what others may offer.  It is not to undercut anyone, BUT to balance with those who require exorbitant prices for inferior non-gross motor based training.

When Itay first remade the methods used by YAMAM it was to make it more gross motor oriented than common Krav Maga methods.  Moshe has continued in the same vein BUT works with all sorts of soccer moms, college co-eds, etc. as well as Law Enforcement, Tactical, Military and yes Special Forces - he was recently brought back to the US right after going home from a tour by an SF group.  So he has a very broad perspective from which to develop skill sets which will work for a 90 lbs college kid all the way 200 lbs SRT operator.

I hope this clarifies this for anyone who just wants an unbiased look at Mr. Katz.

One finally closing thought.....  Is it only me or do you also find it strange that as of right now, while I type this, the "flatfoot" that posted this has only posted twice in this forum?  OH and they were both in this thread with only one message..... Was it because he had a specific motive to discredit Moshe to Mr. Hocheim's readers!?!

I guess we can all just add that to the list of things that make us go hmmmm......
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Re: Moshe Katz
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 06:43:22 AM »

Combatative-1-Sense I have not met or trained under either instructor I will not make any specific comments-what I will say is your post is very good-no screaming, insulting etc-you made a good case-what i will also say I have met and trained under some way out there instructors in my short life ( ;D) -they were not liked but they could fight........WW
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