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[whitewolf]

looks good to me but i am not a expert-ww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs2D670rLzA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[Keith Miller]

Probably shouldn't ignore the weapon still in the opponent's hand. But...it's just a clip.

[whitewolf]

Keith- appreciate it-ill go over the vidio some more  and look at the other hand-R/S WW

[whitewolf]

Looked again and did see some use of hand to block others free hand- see .60 of the clip-
I am a novice on use of the stick but really like learning to use it-this can be transferred to carrying a cane/umbrella-R/S WW

[Kentbob]

That looks to me like a standard kambiada? cambiata? entry into a choke.  The empty hand is put into a position to ward off attacks with the stick, and there are a couple inserts for disarms if you look closely. 

Guru Halleck covers this in his DVDs if you really want to know more. I can't think of which one covers this, however, but I know I've seen it from him before.  He goes into this kind of stuff, and goes deeper than you can get on a youtube video.

Kent

[Hock]

The initial side switch move is the "cambiada." You go from the inside to the outside arm of an opponent in a fanning motion and a step.  The wrist turns lie a fanning motion. You might get a head shot with the fan. Cambiada is often one of the very first things any Inosanto-world student learns with a Kali stick. Kali 101, if you will.

The follow-up choke is seperate. A Lacoste traditional progression will go to a neck choke, supporting the stick behind the winner's neck. Then you get a disarm, etc. You can see all that here: http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/product211.html

I like to secure my stick in my armpit instead of behind my neck. It is way tighter and not slipping off, but you know the heights of the two people come into play as to whether you do a neck support or an armpit support. I show this here-
http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/product429.html
But I don't show the cambiada in this film because that is a stick-vs.-stick FMA move and not the subject matter of a real-world, tactical stick takedown DVD.

Hock

[whitewolf]

OK-now that i am starting to practise these techniques with a stick-my next question is this.
Sense I just instruct in unarmed self defense for mostly  civilians-is it better just to show  basic use of the stick (umbrella) or other long expedient wpn or get into more complex movements- ? what i want is for the person attacked to be able to over power and get out of the altercation. Not stand there and go through a long period of stick fighting-remember many are older students-- As time permits I will be taking more and more of Hocks semnars-allready took 3.-and have combigned what i learned into my training-- R/S WW

[Hock]

Don't forget this one!
http://www.hockscqc.com/shop/product477.html
One-forth will be stick

On the stick...you can also think of it as an expandable baton. But in the who, what, where, when, how and why of your student's lives - you have to decide the priority of the stick work.

Then the stick can make for some excellent skill development training too.

Hock

[whitewolf]

Hock-appreciate it -as always-
WW

[Webby]

It was o.k. I was taught to teach it full-speed ' show the skill ', then slowly so the students can better see the breakdown of the elements. Then let them practice explaining that you want to see them working on the technique not the speed ( get it right first then speed up afterwards ). I then stop them after a few minutes and show them again. This time explaining the process point by point.

Learning something like this is hard for beginners so I wouldn't attempt to teach much else in one lesson.

Is that how others teach it or do people prefer other alternatives ? I'm always keen on feedback pos or neg.   

[Kentbob]

I would say, WW, if you don't know the technique then you have no business teaching or trying to teach it to others.  There can be a lot involved in some of these basic techniques, and you really don't want to leave out a crucial portion of the technique, such as what to do with the empty hand. 

Generally, I only teach techniques to people when I am 95% confident I know the technique forwards and backwards, left and right.  I wonder why you would consider teaching someone something that you are not yourself familiar with.  That doesn't seem very responsible to me.

Kent

[whitewolf]

Kent-please-I m not going out in the martial arts world and teaching to a million stick people-we work on expedient wpn use in the school-the other instructor is philipino and has a great background in use of the stick-i see a good technique and g over it with him-if he feels it is worthwile then we work on it-i also practise it alone for movement-
when i go to  seminar (Hocks for example)- i learn something-work on it and if i feel i know it i pass it on-some techniques i wait--------als-today for example-we work on techniques before class and discuss new things and review old-thats the way to lean or deleate.If you reread my post above-i try to learn a self defense technique for a student to just defend-overcome- and get away-works for me-
appreciate your input though- R/S WW

[whitewolf]

To continue-showed the neck choke today to the kali instructor- we tried this and both were not happy with attempting to get into that position-and that was slow motion-both feel that under stress and with the opponent also fighting it would not work-would possibly have to strike hard first then go into some type choke-(refer back to Hocks post)-WW

[Hock]

Well, of course in a real fight, hitting with the stick is a number one.

But that choke aquisition COMES AFTER A NECK OR HEAD HIT, so a stunned opponent can be captured.

But it is just a FMA/Kali/Arnis/Escrima move that comes after much practice and repitition. its a..."thang"...you know? It is a thang you do or don't like or want to do.

You either want to to FMA or not. Then you do or don't do it.

Hock

[whitewolf]

Hock- thanks- WW