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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #180 on: September 26, 2012, 02:54:09 PM »

OK, I have gone back and read the entire thread. The smartest thing written here is Greg Walker admitting its the lower enlisted ranks E2, E3, E4, that are the "War Fighters" something JimH has refused to admit for years, at least in every argument I have ever had with him.

Micheal Echanis entered the Army on May 12, 1969 and was wounded days short of one year of service on May 6, 1970. Soon after this he would have been assigned to a "MHC" the same as I was till his retirement as a PFC December 18, 1970. This is standard SOP or whatever you want to call it. Anyone that has ever gotten themselves inside the "Grinder" knows all about the process to get out of it. So far none on this forum have ever experienced that or at least have not referenced it. Maybe nobody here knows about it?

It is doubtful that Echanis got in trouble at Special Forces Training because of the fact he was E4 when he was wounded with less than twelve months service. If he did get in trouble it was no big deal, more likely he was injured and dropped. This scenario would explain some of the missing time too, sent home to heal up, cracked ribs, badly sprained ankle, lots of possibilities.

Conclusion, and the only thing that matters. Michael Echanis was a US Army Retired E3 PFC who served his country with Honor.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #181 on: September 27, 2012, 11:35:19 AM »

It was good of you to admit you hadn't read the entire thread and went back to do so.

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #182 on: October 01, 2012, 11:34:17 AM »

MDE in focus and so with Bobby Ngyuen.

Now working up hard facts regarding Chuck Sanders.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #183 on: October 17, 2012, 05:12:14 PM »

On December 17, 1975, Headquarters for John F Kennedy Center for Military Assistance issued its Letter of Instruction (LOI) for "USJFKCENMA Hwarang Do/Tae Kwon Do Program".

Objectives were:

- To provide instruction in individual close-combat techniques

- To provide individual athletic participation, develop esprit de corps and furnish spectator entertainment

- To provide an alternative to routine training and running in the existing "Fit to Fight" program

- To provide a basis for selecting a HD/TKD team to represent USAJFKCENMA in the Fort Bragg TKD tournament

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With specific reference to the "USAJFKCENMA Hwarang Do School for Hand to Hand Combat and Special Weapons" in a separate Memorandum for Record -

"Mr. Michael D. Echanis has been appointed Senior Instructor and Advisor to the USAJFKCENMA Hand to Hand Combat/Special Weapons School for Instructors.  This program calls for training a total of 144 instructors for Special Forces units."

Six classes of two weeks in duration were scheduled.  These numbered from 76-1 to 76-6.  Start date for Class 1 was 19-30 January 76.  The last scheduled class was to occur from 29 March to 9 April 1976.  Only three classes were conducted, however.

Those units sending students include 1st Bn, 5th Special Forces Group and 2nd Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group; 3rd Battalion, 5th Special Forces Group and HQ/Service Company, 7th Special Forces Group; HHC/Signal Companies, 5th Special Forces Group, 801st Military Intelligence Detachment and 1st Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #184 on: October 21, 2012, 02:24:20 PM »

Postscript regarding Bobby Nyugen -

An American friend who served with Bobby Nyugen in Vietnam offers he (Bobby) was also, at one point in his career, a member of MACV-SOG and ran recon with teams from Combat and Control North (CCN).

He offers Nguyen was a fierce fighter and that he'd killed his first enemy soldier at age 11.

Bobby Nguyen was personally recruited in Fayetteville, North Carolina, for the Echanis training team because of his immense combat experience and numerous individual skills as well as proven loyalty.  His loss on September 8, 1978, was felt by a select group of Special Forces/Ranger Vietnam veterans who knew him and had fought beside him during the war.

Before Bobby was buried in Ontario, Oregon, alongside Michael D Echanis - an American flag was placed with him by one of his closest comrades-in-arms.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #185 on: October 23, 2012, 07:53:14 AM »

Charles Wilfred Sanders ("Chuck") - 1948 to 1978

Charles W Sanders grew up in Ontario, Oregon.  He was the eldest of two brothers and one sister.  His father, Dr. Wilfred Sanders, was both the train company's on-call physician and the sports teams' doctor for Ontario High School.  Chuck grew up "tough" according to those who knew him.  He was immensely well liked and respected.  The 1967 yearbook for Ontario High School, the year Chuck Sanders graduated, is a tribute to Sanders' wide range of accomplishments and skills.  He literally could and did everything and was voted "Unsurpassed on the Football Field" for his accomplishments in that sport.

Sanders was also an exceptional student of JiuJitsu/Judo and trained extensively at the Ontario Judo Club.  As a street fighter there are numerous stories from both his Ontario based friends and those he went to college at the U of O (Eugene) with.

Chuck Sanders could handle himself in a fight.

Some have offered whether on the playing field or off it seemed Sanders simply did not experience pain like most others did.  One close friend offered this came from how his father brought him up, always sending Chuck back out after a scratch or cut or injury with the admonition that he wasn't really all that hurt.

Sanders was also an outstanding hunter and fisherman.

Sanders left the U of O without graduating and ended up in Phoenix, Arizona.  Down on his luck the young man became the suspect in two tavern robberies but was never tried or convicted.  On September 10, 1973, he enlisted in the United States Army.  His place of entry was Phoenix, Arizona.

After basic training and jump school Sanders attended USAAHS MEDCORPS for 8 weeks in 1974.  From there he went on to attend USAAHS MEDSPEC training (Combat Medic), a 19 week course.  He completed his combat medic training in late 1974 by attending and graduating the Special Forces Medic's Course at USAJFCIMA, a 19-week course.

Sanders then attended and successfully completed the Special Forces Qualification Course at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.  His MOS was annotated with the "S" qualifier for "Special Forces Qualfied".

His next military school of note occurred in 1975 when he successfully completed the Special Forces Underwater Operations Course (5 weeks).  He was already Airborne Qualified (1973) and had also graduated successfully from USATC SLPP, a two week course (1973).

Sanders was assigned to Company B, 3rd Battalion, 5th Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg, North Carolina from November 5, 1974 until his discharge on September 9, 1977.

His awards and decorations are listed as the Good Conduct Medal, National Defense Service Ribbon, Parachute Badge, SCUBA Badge, Marksmanship Badge with Rifle Bar and the Soldier's Medal for Heroism.

In the case of the latter award then Sergeant Charles Sanders, on May 12, 1977, at 1100H while participating in a 1500 foot high free climb with his teammates did save the life of Master Sergeant Nail.  Nail began sliding downward from 1200 feet and an effort by Master Sergeant Jakovenko to get a rope to him failed.  With no concern for his own safety Sergeant Sanders crossed 15 feet of steep slope to intersect with the falling man.  Balancing himself on his toes on a 1-inch granite ledge Sanders managed to both stop and then support MSG Nail for a full 7 minutes until ropes could be lowered to get both men off the rock face.

This with 800 feet of empty space below the two men.

Even so, Sanders refused to leave his perch until Nail was successfully brought to the top of the mountain.  The final sentence of the citation for heroism reads "The heroic manner in which Sergeant Sanders risked his life to save Master Sergeant Nail from sure death, with utter disregard for his own safety, makes him truly deserving of the award of the Soldier's Medal."

Chuck Sanders discharged from the Army on September 9, 1977.  Between his heroic performance on the mountain slope and his final day in the Army he apparently suffered a disciplinary action that resulted in his being discharged as a Specialist rather than Sergeant.

Chuck Sanders was one of handful of professional Soldiers to work with Michael Echanis at Fort Bragg in the development of the Hwa Rang do H2H and Special Weapons Program noted earlier.  Others included Master Sergeant Jakovenko and then SSG Gary O'Neil.  Sanders and O'Neil are known to have been Black Sash ranked in Hwa Rang Do along with MDE.

Chuck Sanders would join MDE in Nicaragua in late 1977 and would be killed along side him on September 8, 1978, in a tragic aircraft accident / explosion.

He'd been married just two days before in Managua to a gal he'd met in Fayetteville, NC, while in the service.  The young Mrs. Sanders did attend her husband's funeral in Oregon.

Charles W. Sanders was cremated upon his return to Ontario, Oregon.  His ashes were spread, at his request, over his favortie mountain range in Oregon.  A simple stone marker in the Sanders' family plot at Evergreen Cemetery shows he, his mother and his father now together again.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #186 on: October 30, 2012, 09:39:40 AM »

Further -

The long held belief that MDE was given an option to either go to jail for his childhood antics or join the Army is false. 

Although Echanis was a hell raiser no such mandate occurred.

He chose to graduate early and join the Army as it had long been his desire to do so.  His father and uncles all served in WWII and one of his elder friends served in the 101st, jumping into Normandy and then Holland.  In addition, a cousin of MDE's was shot down over Laos (Major Echanis) and was MIA in 1969, the same year MDE graduated/enlisted.

MDE hoped to get to Vietnam where he might learn something more about his missing family member - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=24338117

On the other hand Chuck Sanders did have a significant run-in with the law in Phoenix, Arizona, and was given the option of jail or enlistment in a plea agreement.  He chose the Army and his career path was presented earlier.  Interesting note - MDE, upon hearing of his best friend's problem in Arizona, sold his Datsun 240Z - one of his favorite cars - and sent the proceeds of the sale to Chuck so he could retain a good attorney.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #187 on: October 31, 2012, 09:47:09 AM »

For those who have been reading this thread (and there's an enormous number recorded as of having done so) it could literally go on forever.

A huge "Thank you!" to Hoch for providing the forum.  Michael D Echanis is a very complicated and very human story - and so much that has been written or rumored to date is - upon quality research - simply in error or flat out nonsense.

We now know what the actual substance and authority was regarding the Hwa Rang Do and Special Weapons courses at Bragg in '76 - to include a two-page story with photos published by VERITAS - The World of Foreign Affairs Officers in its January/February 1976 issue.

We now know MDE did attend and graduate Airborne School (Student #534) when so many have offered he had not.

That he moved easily and with great hospitality throughout the then Special Operations Community is also true.  He was invited and did provide H2H training for Charlie Beckwith's newly formed DELTA and he did the same for SEAL Team 2 at the invitation of its commander at the time, Dick Marcinko.

The training and skill sets he provided resulted in the following Letter of Appreciation from Command Sergeant Major William E. Edge, then the CSM of the John F Kennedy Center for Military Assistance, Fort Bragg, North Carolina.  Dated 22 June 1976 it reads:

"Dear Mike,

"I would like to take this opportunity to express my personal thanks to you for what you have tried to do for us.

"Your undying spirit is rare indeed.  In these self complacent times, it is most unusual to discover a truly dedicated person such as yourself.  There will again come a time when people like you will be eagerly sought after to both teach and lead our young and inexperienced soldiers in a battle they can win.  Your skills in unarmed and hand to hand combat are sorely needed in today's forces.  Hopefully they will return in the future.

"I hope our paths cross again, in the meantime, if I can be of any assistance, please do not hesitate to call."

There is perhaps no tribute to Mike Echanis better said and having greater authority to offer such praise and admiration.

As for his tragic death and all the mystery and conjecture that surrounds it even to this day - and despite the thorn he had become in the U.S. Government/State Department's side by being where he was and training who he was in a continued fight against Communism/Marxism in Latin America - in early January of 1979 then President Jimmy Carter signed and sent the following to his family less than 4 1/2 months after MDE's death.

"The United States of America honors the memory of Michael D Echanis.  This certificate is awarded by a grateful nation in recognition of devoted and selfless consecration to the service of our country in the Armed Forces of the United States."

Again, thanks Hock - time to move forward - keep training!

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #189 on: November 18, 2012, 06:01:56 PM »

Also wounded from C Company, 75th Rangers, with Echanis were SSG Eddie Roberts, SP4 Alfred Carr, SP4 Robert Ladeaux and PFC Mark Laughton (General Orders #104, Department of the Army, HQ, 17th Field Hospital, Vietnam - dated May 7, 1970.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #190 on: November 24, 2012, 06:17:08 PM »

Check Wiki page for Michael Echanis ref 5th Special Forces Group/JFK Center endorsement of Echanis system of H2H for Special Operations Forces, both U.S. and friendly foreign militaries, in forma letter dated February 1, 1977.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #191 on: November 25, 2012, 10:51:12 AM »

Mr Walker,
You have done a Great deal of work on behalf of the Legacy of Mr Echanis and others associated with him and their operational work as contractors/mercenaries.

The True Synopsis of it all is as we have agreed to before

Mr Echanis Served and was wounded in an action in Vietnam.
He attended Jump School and served 3 weeks in a Ranger unit before he was wounded.

He studied Hwarangdo after his Military service ,for a very brief time and was going to be given a school,he decided instead to go to Ft Bragg ,NC to visit his friend,Mr Sanders.
While at Bragg he taught his version of Martial arts.
Through friends he was allowed to teach Military members on base,some to include SF/Green Beret Members.
He was given letters of appreciation and Thank You as well as letters commending his training.
(Same type letters others like Jim Wagner,Blaise Loong,Jim Webb.Tank Todd and others present)

He went to work for SOF magazine and became a Contractor/Mercenary.
He died as a Mercenary/Contractor.

End of story

WE know that GM J B Lee and the Hwarangdo black balled Mr Echanis  untill GM Lee learned Mr Echanis was teaching the Military.
J B LEE then stood for Pictures with Mr Echanis Giving him a Black Belt Ranking and wanting part of Military training work.
Mr Echanis was not promoted to Sulsa till after his death.

J B Lee names does NOT appear on the Ceremonial diplomas issued to the few who made it through Mr Echanis H2H course.
I have seen the Certificate,and one can be seen on Keith Idema's website.
http://theydontfoolme.com/1317/pictures-and-documented-evidence-of-jack-idemas-history-with-special-forces/
Only two of six courses were run.
The course was not SF members only.

If as written on Mr Echanis wiki page ,JB Lee signed the certificates and made these people Black Belts were on the Hwarangdo sites do their names appear with ranking ?? LOL.

Mr Echanis trained MEMBERS OF/INDIVIDUALS OF the Army,SF,SEALs and Marine Recon,not UNITS of or TEAMS of.
Non of his Instruction was military contracted ,they were just jobs for him for pay.
He taught his Fit to Fight class for a short time.
He taught his JFKCENMA for a short time.
Basicaly the classes he taught were stopped by those in charge.

To write his name and refer to him as a Major,because he wore a Green Beret with a Major Rank playing an OPFOR at Robins Sage is a joke.
For him to refer to himself as a Major is also a joke.

Again a lot of work to create a legend has been done on behalf of MR Echanis and Mr Sanders,but much of the info for Mr Echanis is just supportive info ,based on friends of friends writing letters and BS claims by J B Lee about the true relationship with he and Mr Echanis.

Mr Echanis was:
A regular Guy who entered the Military,got wounded ,studied Martial arts,taught his version of a Martial art,becomes a Mercenary ,Dies ,and is made into some sort of story book  Legend.

Why the Need to make him out to be things he DEFINATELY was not ?

Sorry Hock for taking up more space on this thread.
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« Reply #192 on: November 25, 2012, 06:56:20 PM »

Mr Walker,
You have done a Great deal of work on behalf of the Legacy of Mr Echanis and others associated with him and their operational work as contractors/mercenaries.

The True Synopsis of it all is as we have agreed to before

Mr Echanis Served and was wounded in an action in Vietnam.
He attended Jump School and served 3 weeks in a Ranger unit before he was wounded.

He studied Hwarangdo after his Military service ,for a very brief time and was going to be given a school,he decided instead to go to Ft Bragg ,NC to visit his friend,Mr Sanders.
While at Bragg he taught his version of Martial arts.
Through friends he was allowed to teach Military members on base,some to include SF/Green Beret Members.
He was given letters of appreciation and Thank You as well as letters commending his training.
(Same type letters others like Jim Wagner,Blaise Loong,Jim Webb.Tank Todd and others present)

He went to work for SOF magazine and became a Contractor/Mercenary.
He died as a Mercenary/Contractor.

End of story

WE know that GM J B Lee and the Hwarangdo black balled Mr Echanis  untill GM Lee learned Mr Echanis was teaching the Military.
J B LEE then stood for Pictures with Mr Echanis Giving him a Black Belt Ranking and wanting part of Military training work.
Mr Echanis was not promoted to Sulsa till after his death.

J B Lee names does NOT appear on the Ceremonial diplomas issued to the few who made it through Mr Echanis H2H course.
I have seen the Certificate,and one can be seen on Keith Idema's website.
http://theydontfoolme.com/1317/pictures-and-documented-evidence-of-jack-idemas-history-with-special-forces/
Only two of six courses were run.
The course was not SF members only.

If as written on Mr Echanis wiki page ,JB Lee signed the certificates and made these people Black Belts were on the Hwarangdo sites do their names appear with ranking ?? LOL.

Mr Echanis trained MEMBERS OF/INDIVIDUALS OF the Army,SF,SEALs and Marine Recon,not UNITS of or TEAMS of.
Non of his Instruction was military contracted ,they were just jobs for him for pay.
He taught his Fit to Fight class for a short time.
He taught his JFKCENMA for a short time.
Basicaly the classes he taught were stopped by those in charge.

To write his name and refer to him as a Major,because he wore a Green Beret with a Major Rank playing an OPFOR at Robins Sage is a joke.
For him to refer to himself as a Major is also a joke.

Again a lot of work to create a legend has been done on behalf of MR Echanis and Mr Sanders,but much of the info for Mr Echanis is just supportive info ,based on friends of friends writing letters and BS claims by J B Lee about the true relationship with he and Mr Echanis.

Mr Echanis was:
A regular Guy who entered the Military,got wounded ,studied Martial arts,taught his version of a Martial art,becomes a Mercenary ,Dies ,and is made into some sort of story book  Legend.

Why the Need to make him out to be things he DEFINATELY was not ?

Sorry Hock for taking up more space on this thread.

He was just a guy with big ideas and bad luck, the cards were not with him. If you were around back in the 70s Im sure he was great to work out with. The only reason anyone is still talking about him is a bunch of fake ass losers were/are making money of his corpse. Outside of that nobody would be talking about him. I'm one of maybe 10 people on the earth that were even interested in the facts around this guy and I already know to much, nobody else cares, not about facts/truth anyway. Especially not the morons that think they are some kind of badass because they read his little book or paid someone for certificates.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #193 on: November 26, 2012, 06:56:41 AM »

would somebody let this poor bastard just stay dead?

You've got Black Belt Magazine and Paladin Press to thank for this zombie. Just when we thought the guy was dead they reanimate him for a couple more bucks.
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« Reply #194 on: November 26, 2012, 03:01:09 PM »

Just like Elvis. Made more money after he died then he did when he was alive
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« Reply #195 on: November 26, 2012, 04:23:43 PM »

Just like Elvis. Made more money after he died then he did when he was alive

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #196 on: November 26, 2012, 05:59:24 PM »

Agreed.

I would offer it's no longer necessary, interesting or fun to "blog" him to death (pardon the pun) any longer as - more or less - the documented facts are now out there for anyone having enough intelligence to pull up the Wiki page or this thread and read.

It's all there.  What he did, what he didn't, what he was, what he wasn't, the true impact he had in some areas that intrigue us 34 years later, and what he had little to no impact on whatsoever.

So the next time someone writes some silly "Hwa Rang Do Mercenary" article for Black Belt...or some marketing filler for a booklet promoting a knife Echanis had zero to do with other than offer a comment about a design feture...or anyone else looking to make a buck or take a cheap shot pipes up...we'll know they didn't do their homework and likely didn't care to.

As Chief Gary O'Neal told me a few weeks ago "He trained hard and he died hard.  Let him be remembered for that."

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #198 on: January 27, 2013, 08:43:02 PM »

Why is mike Echanis wearing what looks like a Black Beret in the picture ?
The story is that he volunteered to go to Vietnam and shortly after he got there he was supposedly picked up by C Company 75th Rangers.
So why was he wearing what looks like a Black Beret PRIOR to going to Vietnam ?
Is there a way to tell what the unit insignia on the Beret is ?
What is the unit insignia on the backing behind the jump wings?
In the original picture can the unit patch on the shoulder be seen more clearly than in the photo used  ?

The picture does not fit the supposed Story line .
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #199 on: February 02, 2013, 09:29:55 PM »

Jim - for goodness sakes - let it go, brother.

Photo is one the Echanis Family shared with me during a recent visit...

Mike was on 30 days leave prior to shipping over to Vietnam...

He'd been assigned to Special Forces after jump school and arriving at Fort Bragg where he went to Training Group...

He, per his 2-1 which I have per FOIA, had trouble in Phase 1 and in lieu of whatever that was he volunteered for duty in Vietnam...

He was traveling in the prescribed uniform of his duty assignment...

Insignia on beret is Special Forces crest, per the reg at the time...

He was not full flash qualified...

Backing on jump wings is appropriate for Special Forces...

When he arrived in Vietnam Gary O'Neal ran into him and got him assigned to C Company, (Ranger), 75th Infantry.  This per Gary in message traffic with me.

Out of the great kindness of the Echanis Family I am now the caretaker of MDE's "green beret".

I also have copies of Mike's POI for both SF and ST-2; official Letters of Assignment and Recognition from JFKCENMA regarding Mike's role and responsibilities; Letters of Appreciation from JFKCENMA to MDE; and so on.

I've interviewed/visited with the people closest to him at Bragg, in Virginia Beach and in Managua as well as interviewing the U.S. Ambassador to NIC at the time of his death.

And I've read/reviewed the official NIC and U.S. Embassy post death documentation to include the autopsy reports on Mike, Chuck and Bobby.

Let it go, Jim - and let him rest in peace as he deserves.  There's far, far more to what Mike did, who he did it with and why he still has such a fierce loyalty among those still living who knew him, worked with him and called him both brother and friend.

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« Reply #200 on: February 03, 2013, 02:49:39 PM »

Mr Walker ,you ask me to let it go,but you keep updating stories on Mr Echanis  and then put up pictures of Mr Echanis portraying him as something he WAS NOT,a Green Beret.

Green Beret as per Regs at the time ?

If I remember the STORY Right ,Mike either left and or was asked to leave the Q course before he was SF Qualified.So according to that he would have been wearing the insignia of his old unit/mother unit,the unit he would have returned to before going to Vietnam,since he did not go to Vietnam as part of an SF Unit.

Also at the time if one were in Special Forces and was not QUALIFIED one wore a Crest and a candy bar stripe underneath of unit assigned to,as per the Backing on his jump wings.

He traveled from SF phase one to Vietnam,assigned to NO UNIT ,where he met Mr O'Neil who got him assigned to C co 75th Rangers ??

You ask to have it left alone ?
You are the Caretaker of Mike's Green Beret ?
Mike was not a Green Beret.
So you are the caretaker of a Piece of Green Cloth.
He was not qualified to be and or wear a Green Beret and was never assigned an SF Unit.
If he were assigned to work in an SF Unit,Without being Qualified he would have been authorized the Beret with the GROUP Flash Colors as a Candy Stripe.
You don't wear a Green Beret because you made it through Phase One.
Now we stretched the Ranger Qualifications ,let us not stretch the SF qualifications of which Mr Echanis had NONE.
(Do you rate being a Ranger if you make through phase one /Benning phase ??  NO and you sure didn't wear a Black Beret around or do not wear a Tan Beret around now,because you are seen to be UNQUALIFIED )
Sorry,you cannot just let something go that is false and enough of Mr Echanis story is made up without pictures of him as an UNQUALIFIED Green Beret,being put up and touted as legit.

You either EARNED a Green Beret or you did not and Mr ECHANIS did not.
He had to have a Mother unit sometime. One does not just enter the Army,go to basic,go to jump school,go to SF training ,leave  before you graduate and wear a Green Beret being supposedly under orders to Vietnam from a unit,SF,that you are not assigned to as you Failed,left or were asked to leave the COURSE of Training.
The Q course is a SCHOOL ,not a UNIT assignment,unless you are an instructor at the Course and Mr Echanis WAS NOT that.

Sorry Mr Walker but as a Former Green Beret how can you back up this set of lies.

Michael Echanis Joined the Army,went to Jump school,went to Vietnam and was wounded in a fire fight. He left the Army due to wounds sustained and that is the ENTIRE Military Story with out the few weeks here and there  fluff that means nothing as he WAS NOT a GREEN BERET and seems to be given Ranger status by some due to Maybe being assigned to C company 75th Rangers,heck he could have been a company clerk ambushed on the way to his assigned unit.
Most of the Hwarangdo story in the books are lies.
Mr Echanis then became a Mercenary and died as such.
End of story
It should have been let go as that.

To say there is no need to blog Mr Echanis to death as the truth is out there is kind of a misdirection,because like the SF Picture much of the story is still smoke and mirrors story telling to make a person Larger/Greater than they were.

Sorry Mr Walker,I respect you and your service ,but I do not have to respect and keep quiet ,or let it go, when stories and pictues,like Mr Echanis as a Green Beret, are untrue.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #201 on: February 03, 2013, 03:20:15 PM »

I trust you find help for your problem, Jim. 
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #202 on: February 03, 2013, 09:47:40 PM »

Thank You for the Kind Words Mr Walker.

Getting help to get the TRUTH out is a problem ,but I am sure I will accomplish my objective.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #203 on: February 05, 2013, 07:56:43 PM »

Jim is right, if he is not Green Beret he is not Green Beret. All the other nonsense is just that, nonsense.

There are bad asses, and there are guys with bad ass marketing skills, rarely are they one in the same.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #204 on: May 16, 2013, 12:21:56 PM »

I just finished reading reading a Great book by Warrant Officer Gary O'Neil,former LRRP,Ranger.Special Forces and Blue Light member.
A True patriot and Hero

Interesting as much of what we are told in the past pages on this thread are that Mr O Neil said Mike Echanis served with C company Rangers when he was shot and wounded.

Seems Mr O'Neil has a different version of events:
Here are some portions of the book by Gary O'Neil:
 
This site has portions of the book:
http://www.commandposts.com/2013/05/portrait-of-a-ranger-as-a-young-lrrp-warrior-in-vietnam/
 
Here is a portion on Gary Meeting Mike Echanis.
E Company was based out of An Khe and Pleiku, but we went wherever Special Forces needed us. This was where I finally found the opportunity to put all my knowledge and all my ability to good use. While officially I was assigned to Double Deuce, the truth was Charlie Rangers was pretty informal, so I’d go out with any team that needed me.
 
When replacements joined the team, we had to take time training with them before we would take them out on a mission. We were only as safe as our weakest member. I remember when Mike Echanis joined my team. Mike was a martial arts expert, and eventually we would live and work and almost die together in Nicaragua. Mike was my friend. He was one of the toughest men I have ever known and a black sash in Hwa Rang Do. Mike also was his own man who wanted to prove himself. On the first recon mission we took him out on, we got into contact with a superior enemy force. The NVA strategy was to occupy your attention from the front and attempt to flank you so you would be surrounded. That meant when we were in a firefight with a superior force we had to keep moving. If we stayed in one position too long, eventually they were going to surround us. So during this firefight I decided it was time to break contact and high-tail it to our exfil point, but Mike decided to stay there and fight them. Mike was always wanting to try out his hand-to-hand Hong Kong Fooey, to see if his kicks and punches worked, so he starts going at it with this NVA. I looked at him and thought, Are you shitting me? So I just shot the fucker and told Mike, “Come on, Mike, let’s get the fuck out of here. We got to go, amigo.” He didn’t want to leave. We had to go back and get him, which put the whole team in jeopardy. When we got back in the rear I fired his ass off my team; we couldn’t allow one person to function independently. Instead he got put on convoy security, and as his convoy was going through the An Khe Pass sometime in 1970, they were ambushed. Mike got his leg shot up bad and lost the use of his foot, although he managed to overcome that. I liked Mike, liked him a lot, but when he showed that he couldn’t be part of a team there was no place for him. He was in country for less than a month before he was wounded.
(pg 56)

Seems to me Mike did one patrol with Mr O'Neil and then ,due to not being a team player,Mike was reassigned as convoy security.
Not a LRRP job and if not a LRRP then not a designated member of C Company  as Only LRRPs of Echo Company 22 LRRPs were designated / Fell under the cross over distinction of LRRP being called Charlie  Rangers.

Mr O'Neil just hapens to have been a Convoy escort upon his reenlisted return to Vietnam.
Mr O'Neil details how Convoy security could have you engage with the enemy and if you were not an 11B you would not be entitled to a CIB,(Combat Infantry Badge)
His command created a 2 week course which allowed a Convoy security memebr to get the 11B MOS,so they could get a CIB if in conflict with the enemy.
I Believe Mr Echanis got a CIB for his truck Convoy Security conflict at An Khe.

The knife also claimed to be made by Mike Echanis from his time in the LRRPs seems to have been made by Mr O'Neil,one year prior to Mr Echanis ever arriving for his 1 Patrol with Mr O'Neil during his 3 weeks in Vietnam,before being wounded in a truck convoy.

Read page 61 of the book and see where Mr O'Neil used a Fairbairn Knife to kill an enemy sentry and the knife went through the enemies neck and into Mr O'Neils arm,causing him to fabricate the model for the so called Echanis LRRP knife.

Here is what Mr O'Neil had to say about Mike Echanis:
pg 148
"Mike was a unique individual.He was dreaming that he would be the next Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee and was doing everything possible to get publicity,writing stories for Black Belt and Soldier of Fortune magazines"
"hhhe kept hinting to people that he was some kind of superspook,making all these claims about his military background that weren't precisely true. Mike actually hadn't been in the that long before he'd been wounded and discharged,and while he was excellent in hand to hand combat,he certainly didn't have all the experiences that he liked to talk about."

Through out the book anything that involved Mr Echanis showed him doing what he wanted,when he wanted and he would not listen to anyone,not Gary ,Chuck or anyone.
As Mr O'Neil said in the book Muke Thought he was invincible.

pg 255
Regarding the Green Beret and Steven Seagal:
" The Green Beret ie a hard-won award,not a fashion statement,and he hadn't earned it."
"it bothered me greatly that he was trading on the sacrifices people had nade to give that beret its meaning.You do not wear that beret with a long ponytail,walking down the streets in New York trying desperately to look tough."

Sounds the same as what I wrote on this thread about Mr Echanis wearing his Phase one beret  after leaving the course and people claiming him to be a Green Beret.

Again those who want to believe Mike is something he WAS NOT can go ahead and do so.
Here we have the words of MR O'Neil,a man who was with Mike in Vietnam during the time that Mikes claims to fame come from,(on the Military side),and he tells us Mike was not cut out to be a LRRP,that he was assigned convoy security at the time he was wounded in a firefight,so the Ranger claim is shown to be a story which was supposed to be based on Mike being a member of Charlie Rangers,and the claim of a Green Beret is shown to also be a story.
 
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #205 on: May 16, 2013, 07:52:02 PM »

I'll have to get the book Jim, O'Neil seems like an interesting guy.

In regards to Echanis it really is pretty clear to what kind of guy he was at least from what has been published, at least articles that weren't written to puff him up.

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After reading the Mendieta articles along with the Diederich book, the La Estrella article and having been told some ME stories by someone who trained with him there is a clear picture forming.
Echanis was a man of action and from most accounts an accomplished killer, but he also seemed to be someone nobody wanted around. He also seemed to have a knack for inserting himself where he wasn't needed. I do get the feeling that going in fast during the National Palace takeover may have been a good option if done correctly but I don't think Echanis & Sanders were the guys for the job with their lack of hostage rescue experience.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #206 on: May 17, 2013, 09:13:32 PM »

UPDATE!
He's still dead. That is all...
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #207 on: May 18, 2013, 08:01:24 AM »

I agree and as I have said ,Mike is dead.
He was wounded in a firefight in Vietnam and he was awarded medals for his action. He was a martial artist who sought fame and fortune as a Merc and died as such.

People tried SO HARD to grasp things to make money off his name selling knives and remakes of old books all based on false claims.

Now that man the claims were based on says Mike WAS NOT with C / &% when he was in the Fire Fight and wounded ay An Khe Vietnam,so the last grasp of he was in the unit when wounded so he is a RANGER is now debunked.

Mike was wounded as a Member of a Convoy Security unit,not as a Ranger.

So he is not a Ranger,should not be called one and was not SF and should not be called one.

He is what he was ,and as I always said,just a man/soldier doing his job in Vietnam.

I hope those who wrote his WIKI page will correct his profile
that they will correct his Military.com Page and remove his anme from the C/75 wall of those wounded in Vietnam.

And to those selling a knife under Mikes name,it is also false as the creatorof what they are selling is apparently Mr O'Neil a True Military Hero,who is the actual inventor,creator and fabricator of the knife being sold as mike Echanis LRRP knife or what ever knife.

Leave the dead alone and stop using them for profit.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #208 on: May 19, 2013, 04:45:12 PM »

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Leave the dead alone and stop using them for profit.

You're asking a lot Jim. After all this is the world of martial arts where many a career and reputation is built on the myths of many a dead "master". ;)
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #209 on: May 20, 2013, 03:47:08 PM »

UPDATE!
Checked again today, yep, he's still dead!
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