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Author Topic: Army ditches berets for caps  (Read 1106 times)

redhawk44357

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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2011, 06:11:08 PM »

as a Zumwalt vet myself, i'm glad i was gone before the first dress uniform change came in .   the "new" dungarees issued at boot camp were pretty weird too. i personally liked the dungarees we had ( blue button shirt/ blue pants)  as far as shoes for working we wore "boonedockers" -ankle high lace up boots-very comfy. peace-time navy (post 1974) was looking pretty bad. too much spit and polish. glad i got out when i did.
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whitewolf

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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2011, 08:05:28 PM »

Hey Red-i just talked to a Navy recruiter (needed info for my grandaughter)- he told me that the Navy is so full up that when you sign up -take the ASVAB and are offered a job-you take it or if you say no they put in the computer that you refused a offer and cannot come back and try again- dont know if that applies to the Nuc program though. So I informed my daughter to insure if she does sign up that she is under that understanding-she goes to recruit training and takes what is given to her.

As to you and the Navy-Thanks for serving-WW
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VicMackey

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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 05:17:49 PM »

Vic- i stayed out of this one as i never saw the new working uniform but i do remember the Old navy of the 59-62,s they went through some hell with the Admeral Zimwalt uniform changes- the sea men looked like a chief-the chiefs were pissed-glad you spoke up-my question is what foot gear are the deck hands wearing- is it some type boot?
WW
We still wear the same kinds that we use at sea with our coveralls. There is also the NWU boot that is gray colored and don't require any spit and polish shine yet is only authorized for shore duty.
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 05:24:25 PM »

Hey Red-i just talked to a Navy recruiter (needed info for my grandaughter)- he told me that the Navy is so full up that when you sign up -take the ASVAB and are offered a job-you take it or if you say no they put in the computer that you refused a offer and cannot come back and try again- dont know if that applies to the Nuc program though. So I informed my daughter to insure if she does sign up that she is under that understanding-she goes to recruit training and takes what is given to her.

As to you and the Navy-Thanks for serving-WW
I am not sure now if that's the way it is but I am sure that the Navy now only offers jobs that are in need of manning. There is so many sailors now staying due to the economy and as a result, a lot of the jobs are overmanned. But the good part is that once you signed for that job, you are guaranteed the service school for it after recruit training as long as you don't fail the course, get into trouble, or have a change in your medical condition that can get your job request revoked.
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 05:31:14 PM »

Glad you like them Vic, and I gather they do hide wrinkles and stains, and a standard uniform is better than multiples.
But I still think they're ugly. Now maybe some polos in nice pastel colors and cotton dockers would be nice. ;)
At first, it took me a while to get used to it and I dreaded it. But once I put it on, it's really not that bad. It may be ugly to some but it sure is not as ugly as the old utility/dungaree uniform. Also, for undershirt, we do not wear white shirts anymore except the crackerjack dress uniforms and the working khakis (replaced working blues or "Johnny Cashes" and working whites). For the NWUs, our undershirts are of dark blue color.
As far as NWU jackets go, they are called parkas. And the cool thing also is that the liner can also be removed from the parkas and be used as a light fleece jacket for use with both the coveralls and NWUs.  The fleece can also be used as a civilian jacket but is not authorized for use with a uniform when outside the ship or work building.
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 08:20:50 PM »

Vic- sonds good-WW
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2011, 06:13:38 PM »

Always a pleasure. Anymore questions on Navy uniforms, feel free to contact me anytime. I will answer as long as I am on this site. I also get involved in other gun and self-defense forums.
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2011, 06:21:41 PM »

Vic- i stayed out of this one as i never saw the new working uniform but i do remember the Old navy of the 59-62,s they went through some hell with the Admeral Zimwalt uniform changes- the sea men looked like a chief-the chiefs were pissed-glad you spoke up-my question is what foot gear are the deck hands wearing- is it some type boot?
WW
I can recall when my father was in the Navy then. The enlisted from about 1975-1980 ditched the dress blue crackerjacks for the dress blue coats. I think after that, after a lot of inputs from sailors, did the Navy got back to the dress blue crackerjacks for the E-1 through E-6 ranks. I don't mind but the neckerchiefs are a pain in the a** to roll and re-tie and the dress blue trousers have very few and small pockets. And, the 13 buttons in front of the pants are just plain ridiculous IMHO (LOL).
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2011, 07:09:33 PM »

Vic- you bring back some good memories of the older days-I made 3 med cruises
a eastern atlantic crusie a  cruise to Cuba,and  2 west pac cruises- I felt more like a swabby than a Marine-the first one was on USS Shadwell- Number 1-from the 2nd WW-we still had a carpenter shop aft. Liberty was foking great in the Med ports-
I pulled a lot of shore patrol and thats where I learned a  lot about drunks and fighting
them-and calming them down too. We used to sneak civies off the ship and rent a hotle room-change clothes and go to the bars pretending to be Lt,s-we got  away with a lot- also if we had a e-3 with us and were in uniform when it was time to go back for the e-3 to  the ship we would change blouses so he had Cpl strpes and the other guy would show his i.d. and all would be cool-so he stayed out with us. anyway
just some thoughts from the past-  WW
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2011, 03:24:46 PM »

ahh   13 button pants, jeez who thought of that??  I remeber the uniforn well.. made from wool and hot as hell in San diego for graduation. (last time i wore them).   In San Fran we had lockers in town so we could change to our civies. I remember in PEARL they told us not to leave the ship in anything but dungarees, so we couldnt leave the base. Didnt want any of us to get "lost". Seems like about 30 of us ended up at the washateria, where we enjoyed a beer machine till the EM club opened.  XO made an anouncement on the 1MC that he never saw a bunch of sailors get so    drunk so fast.
yep..................momories.
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Re: Army ditches berets for caps
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2011, 10:59:38 AM »

Technically, I was in the post-Zumwalt Navy as he retired in 1975.  But I joined in 1975 and his policies were still in effect.  At the time our work uniform was dungarees (and the flight suit while flying, but the Navy considered those coveralls not a uniform).  Our dress uniforms were a new white thing that looked like a glorified milk man, since the Navy had done away with the traditional "crackerjacks" for enlisted men, much to virtually everyones' dismay except AFEES who made a fortune off the deal.  Yeah, moral could be low in those days, but it wasn't because of the uniform.  It was post-Vietnam and everybody was still getting the "baby killer" treatment from the hippie types if you were in uniform in public.  All of the services had an active drug problem and the Navy had the whole beard thing going, but mostly it was the unappreciation from the public.  That seemed to change after Desert 1 and the ascension of the Reagan administration and fortunately it hasn't gone back to the low morale of those times..not to say everyone's moral was lower, but it was lower force-wide.

We had a similar issue in the Air Force when I retired in 1994.  The Chief of Staff at the time, Merill McPeak, had these crazy uniform changes going on every other month or so.  Hey, it was post-Desert Storm and he had to have a legacy, right (considering the CINC at the time wanted one, too)?  He changed the Air Force officer dress uniform to what was called the Airline Pilot or Navy officer uniform--much like Navy dress blues, but with silver versus gold sleeve ranks.  Most USAF officers hated it--I had no problem with it myself--but what everyone objected to was the removal of the "U.S." from dress uniform collars.  At the same time, we went through some crazy changes in BDUs--first we had subdued metal ranks, then sewn-on cloth rank, then no rank at all only on the velcroed name tags--and we had first brown shirts, then black -t-shirts, yada, yada.  It seemed like a new uniform change every other month.  You couldn't get one set of uniforms into standard before he changed it again.  This was true even on flight suits (which the USAF does consider a uniform).  It settled back down to a basic USAF officer uniform after he left office, but I was retired by then.  The only winners of that fiasco were again AFEES uniform stores, which made a bundle selling personnel new uniforms.  I considered it a back-end funding of AFEES in a non-traditional manner.  But the uniform never really affected morale.  That was made--or broke--by decent leadership and common sense decisions.
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