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[JimH]

Some one who wants to  intimidate,and knows what they are doing will not put the pistol at arms length ,away from them towards the victim,anyway.
If you do manage to grab a pistol in the hand of a pistol person,they will pull the weapon down,slightly then up and back and you will,if you made a single grab,being holding a  bloody hand ,as the front sight of a revolver or automatic will rip your hand open.

[Kentbob]

I'm not sure who you're responding to, Shooter.  I know that I didn't say anything about perfect technique, and I don't think anyone else did either.

The only perfect technique that I recognize, and I'm sure someone has said this before, is the technique that works when you need it to.

Kent

[whitewolf]

shooter-thats why when you grab the slide-the other hand destroys the face if possible - then you initiate the takeaway-(if thats the  movement you are attempting to do)-remember the finger is in the trigger guard and you use it as leverage- weither you are going under the wpn or turning it back into the attacker-we teach to destroy the attacker physically in what ever way can be accomplished.  -JMHO  WW

[ShooterMMA]

@Kentbob

I was talking about videos, and the story my way is better then your.

For example, what if the attacker takes a knee, backs up, or jerks the pistol back?  Try these counters in your disarms, I do not think you will appreciate what happens

Good points. This things you need to take in consideration when you do gun disarm, need to expect it.

@JimH

Some one who wants to  intimidate,and knows what they are doing will not put the pistol at arms length ,away from them towards the victim,anyway.

True, in this case not many thing you can do. That is way I said if you want to disarm someone, you are crazy mofo or it was instinctively or you last resort.

I know few examples here where people tried to disarm and got injured or killed (cos of mentality I know the technique), and few when they stayed alive and it was always instinctively reaction or guy whit a big balls.

Mentality of I'm MA and I know the special technique will get them to be shooted. Work from fear and intimidation position, and then see what is possible to be done.

My opinion

[whitewolf]

ShooterMMA-just curious where are you from-USA or Europe-
WW

[ShooterMMA]

ShooterMMA-just curious where are you from-USA or Europe-
WW

I already answered you this on some of previous subjects.
Eastern Europe. Ex Yu

[Dawg]

WW,

One of "Shooter's" schools is in Serbia; here's the link previously posted:
http://krav-maga.rs/

That's gonna cost you another beer when I come to TN!

Good thing you've got the old squid lookin' out for the ancient jarhead.

Who luvs ya?

[whitewolf]

Ah Dawg man-Ill gladly buy you the beer-Ill be drinking vodka with black berry chaser.

As for ShooterMMA-couple thoughts-one-I have over 4000 posts here-how many you got-    Lets see if you can rememeber a specific post after posting 10----WW

[Kentbob]

I get the impression that you're keeping score.  The man who talks less can often learn more.


Kent

[Dawg]

I get the impression that you're keeping score.  The man who talks less can often learn more.
Kent

I just got the impression the old dude was explaining why he might have forgotten the Serbian dude's response. Just for the record, WW wouldn't even know how many posts anybody had unless it was written there, right by the screen name.

The man who writes less has a lower chance of acquiring carpal tunnel syndrome.
(Damn! I still like Kentbob's saying better! Best I could come up with.)
Just sayin'!

[whitewolf]

Kent- nooooo- no score keeping here-just trying to get the old brain housing group to function-got to grease the wheel some more--to help this problem i am going to change my age-this sep instead of being 73 i will celebrate my 72nd-and the next year 71-thats my story and i am sticking with it- -oh for the record I am a
shtarker.........and proud of it-R/S WW

[whitewolf]

Talking about ways to retain a wpn -I searched and found this one- hard to see but it shows that gun takeaways dont always work-yes the instructor has been doing it awhile but the basics are there to try- WW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d1sXyEMMGc&feature=feedrec_grec_index

[JimH]

I was at that demo.
Nice for what it was.
Master Duncan used  Jujitsu/Aikido type techniques,they work well,

When showing that a gun take away can be reversed /denied,his student did not come with intent to take and hold on to the weapon.
The student did a half hearted attempt and went with his instructors technique.

If a disarm is attempted and the weapon grabbed,held,controlled and a lock ,put on with intent and movement,it is hard to stop.
If a weapon disarm is done in a half hearted way,then it can be stopped and reversed.

That was what I took away from the demo.

[whitewolf]

Interesting and makes sense to me-i also watched his demos on vidio using a book, magazine, and a brief case for defense-i liked those too.
Again as always the student is there in a demo to make the movement look good.
This guy does look fast though. WW