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whitewolf

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a knife defense question
« on: August 26, 2011, 07:44:47 AM »

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Keith Miller

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 01:08:06 PM »

Everytime he does it at speed, the knife lands right next to the guy's other hand. He could easily grab it and finish his attack, but the instructor just ignores it.
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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 01:13:56 PM »

Keith- thanks- ill look at it again-WW
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Canuk

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 01:40:13 PM »

Gott awatch those wide sweeps too, ive seen people sweep the blade into thier own leg. And that was a live blade demo by a bunch of Ninjas not a real world application
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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 01:48:30 PM »

Oh, its just a version of combat scenario.

For this, the attack must be of a committed lunge in nature, not a common overhead hit and retract. (I do believe that most overhead attacks are quick stab, "Hitchcock" hit and retracts).

Its a popular straight armbar...you know...whatever....

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 01:49:44 PM »

Hock,

Didnt you have listing of the most common knife attackes somewhere?
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whitewolf

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2011, 02:10:12 PM »

Canuk-their are a lot of attacks/drills in his knife/conter knife combatatives manual- i put that vidio up for thoughts out there on the technique-i am a novice on knife defenses compared to many out there -hoping to learn more as i train.WW
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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2011, 02:25:45 PM »

WW, I have feeling that you would do just fine if and when faced with a knife.

You have combat and fight experience, you train fitness, skill and co ordination on a regular bases, you understand threat and how to recognise it and you have a winning goal orientated mind set
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whitewolf

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2011, 03:53:56 PM »

Thanks,appreciate it Canuk-
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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2011, 05:34:13 PM »

More of the same old stuff. I think the only value in all of it is the targeting after the " disarm".
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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2011, 07:51:04 AM »

That attack,the downward  satb and or slash ,if delivered with speed and intent,is hard to control as in the slow motion attacks shown.

The instructor has tha attack come in slow motion  so he can control the speed of the attackers arm and rotate it  into an arm lock.
If the attack came at speed you have to deal with the speed tha attacker generated and jumping in on a fast downward knife is Very hard to judge no less connect with and control.
(I have trained and worked this technique for years and know it is near impossible to pull off in a determined attack)

Near the end one student came in a bit fast and the technique went to hell and instead of dealing with the screw up ,as you would have to in reality,the instructor just called it off and asked for the attack again.
(Not realistic)

Always good to know the attack and have a preplanned response,and when you have those two bits of information and still take the attack in slow motion through the whole demo/clip that means the technique is almost impossible in reality.(my opinion)

This instructor  does a lot of seminars for the US Military and Supposedly for Special Operations,he has some good clips out there but this technique is not one,my opinion, and I would not advocate that technique in reality.
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whitewolf

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2011, 03:58:22 PM »

JimH -you make sense -we worked those type stabs in class-slow at first-we can stop it and  attack- as it comes in very fast-different story altogether- WW
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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2011, 07:11:09 PM »

I think the problem is everyone does a technique or drill and they think knife fighting is a game. I can take a cut or a stab, it's a freaking nightmare. As Hock say Cheat first, cheat during and cheat last.
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whitewolf

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Re: a knife defense question
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 05:51:10 AM »

Blaq-I also agree with you-from what i  have been working on at class -everyone seems to automatically slow it down so the partner can attempt
the technique-them they speed it up a little but i dont see a maniac type
stab,slash,ice pick comming- why is that? Instructor? Student? people unfamiliar with the knife-intertesting topic to discuss. JimH-how do your people work it? I have watched the Dog vidios- they go for it...
WW
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