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Author Topic: PADDED STICKS - HELP!  (Read 1957 times)

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PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« on: June 27, 2005, 05:18:14 AM »

Can anyone recommend a good make of padded sticks?!?

I've broken every pair I've bought in the first few hits and am tired of spending ages making my own only to see them snap on the first hit! >:(

I've tried a pair of Safe Sticks and they seem good but I can't find anyone that sells them in the UK.... and I can't find any mention of them on the internet so can't even get them shipped over... 

HELP!!

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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2005, 05:39:59 AM »

Joe Reyes makes those safe sticks, but as a sideline and doesn't really advertise...

Reach him at...

JReyes3497@aol.com

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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2005, 07:04:01 AM »

Thanks, Hock! There's an e-mail on it's way....

Chris.
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2005, 07:58:57 AM »

ActionFlex makes the best one I've seen. They are not flimsy like the Century products, and aren't big heavy escrima with water noodle glued to them. They are great and "battle tested" at my dojo!!!

http://www.actionflex.com/
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2005, 10:41:00 AM »

Actionflex do look good but they don't seem to have an option without the handle - what do you do when changing from double- to single-handed (changing hands) and punyo striking? Website says they'll do custom orders but I'm guessing that'll be expensive....

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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2005, 01:02:00 PM »

ActionFlex makes the best one I've seen. They are not flimsy like the Century products, and aren't big heavy escrima with water noodle glued to them. They are great and "battle tested" at my dojo!!!

http://www.actionflex.com/



You have to use light rattan (weight it), lighweight outdoor pipe insulation (weigh it), and hockey tape (weigh it).    When combined, these should be the weight of your fightin' sticks.

Don't insulate the handle.

These will last several years and cost a couple of dollars to rebuild.   I have a couple that are 10 years old and rebuilt several times......

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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2005, 01:05:28 PM »

If you want unbreakable sticks, padded or not, go down to your local industrial plastic supply and buy either solid or hollow polycarbonate.  If you want it padded, then put plumbing insulation and duct tape or electrical tape over that.

Polycarbonate is the stuff they use in bulletproof glass, riot batons, motorcycle windshields etc.  It is superior to any wood.  At Plastic Supply Company, in Albuquerque, clear 1" diameter hollow polycarbonate goes for $4.50 a foot.
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2005, 01:25:56 PM »

Trust me guys,

If it wasn't me...my training partners have all tried different ways to make "cheap" training sticks. Once you use Actionflex, you'll bite the bullet and shell out the cost.

They are simply the best.
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2005, 01:52:46 PM »

Well, I bought a set of Jeff Finder's HITS sticks to use instead of rattan and, although they'll work fine as straight forward sticks, the diameter would be too big by the time you've added enough padding to make it worthwhile....

I've tried making padded sticks using a wooden core but it wasn't up to it - although, I used wooden dowel rather than rattan..... maybe I need to find small diameter rattan somewhere....

Trouble with plastics is people get hold of brand names like Polycarbonate and apply it to any old stuff, so unless you have experience with your local supply, I wouldn't take it for granted that Polyanything will definitely work.....

I really liked the Safe Sticks beacause you could hold either end, they're just the right diameter and are quite light.....

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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2005, 02:24:16 PM »

I researched high and low actionflex is as good as it gets in terms of quality
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2005, 04:05:24 PM »


Trouble with plastics is people get hold of brand names like Polycarbonate and apply it to any old stuff, so unless you have experience with your local supply, I wouldn't take it for granted that Polyanything will definitely work.....


FYI.  Polycarbonate is not a brand name.  Lexan is a brand name of polycarbonate.  Polycarbonate is a chemical name as is acrylic, G-10 phenolic, 6/6 moly nylon, acetal etc.  Do a search on riot batons and then look at what they are made of.  The bargain cheapest ones are made of wood.  The next cheapest are acrylic and there aren't too many.  The vast majority are made of polycarbonate.  If police and military are using polycarbonate for riot batons, why are martial artists still using wood?  Just adherance to tradition and perhaps a little lack of education in what modern industrial thermoplastics are capable of.

Do searches on material properties of thermoplastics and compare them.  You will find that solid fiberglass, the various reinforced phenolics, polycarbonate and acetal all outperform any wood in terms of fracture toughness and shatter resistance.  They compare favorably in terms of impact resistance.  In the case of fantastic materials like G-10 fiberglass reinforced phenolic, they vastly outperform wood.  G-10 phenolic, by the way, is used industrially in high voltage power transmission lines where strength exceeding steel is needed without electrical conductivity.  The stuff is amazing.  The problem is that you can't machine it at room temperature - you have to heat it up in an oxygen deprived oven, so unless you happen to have an industrial oven in your back yard, you have to take the raw stuff as it comes from the factory-no knurling, no rounded ends.  At room temperature, even carbide tool bits wear out quickly and high speed steel won't even scratch it.  You can smash cinder blocks with G-10 phenolic rod and not even scratch the stuff.  For fighting stick material, it is has the problem that it is too rigid and tends to hurt your hand.  Polycarbonate is much better in that respect, though it scratches and dents about the same as wood but has a much higher fracture toughness so it simply will not break under use by a human.

No, industrial plastics people don't slap "brand names" on any old thing and sell it.  Industrial plastics sell rod, sheet and tube plastic stock to manufacturers who depend upon the material properties for their applications.
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2005, 04:38:35 PM »

Sorry, you're right - Polycarbonate is not a brand name .... I was trying to make a simple point with a simple comment - the point I was trying to make was that all materials under the title of Polycarbonates are not the same in terms of quality....

Incidentally, acetal (POM), nylon, etc are base polymers - the methods in which they are derived have a massive impact on the quality of the finished product, before you even get into fillers, etc....  I too work in the polymer industry and have first hand experince of materials suppliers 'slapping' brand names on sub-standard materials.

Anyway, when did this become anorak corner?!? Thanks for all the info guys....

Chris.

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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2005, 05:16:59 AM »

Chris,

I'd recommend that you check out SMAK-Stiks: http://www.smakstiks.com

The ActionFlex sticks are good, but in my experience they are not nearly as durable as the SMAK-Stiks. The SMAK-Stiks are also more rigid, which is nice if you want to practice stick takedowns, chokes and disarms.

They are without a doubt the best soft sticks I've tried so far.

/Fabian
« Last Edit: June 28, 2005, 05:19:37 AM by fabbe »
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2005, 01:02:42 PM »

Thanks to Hock putting me in touch with Joe Reyes, I'm now the proud owner of a pair of Safe Sticks - they're just as good as I remember.  ;D
Due to their flexible nature, I guess they're not suitable for takedowns but for sparring, I'd highly recommend them - very reasonable prices too!
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Re: PADDED STICKS - HELP!
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2005, 03:41:59 AM »

Chris

Don't be fooled by their flexible nature, because Safe Sticks work well for takedowns of all sorts from the simple battering takedown to all the DMS grappling and choke hold takedowns.  In fact they work well when demonstrating things like "The Worst Choke In The World" as you can't really apply this with real sticks for fear of permantly damaging your training partner.  ;D

Bring them next Saturday and we'll go through some Push, Pull & Turn stuff using the Safe Sticks!

Cheers

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