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Author Topic: Leery of New Ammo For Police  (Read 501 times)

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Leery of New Ammo For Police
« on: June 29, 2005, 08:15:53 AM »

 OBETZ COUNCILMAN LEERY OF NEW AMMO FOR POLICE ;
Chief shelves shells made in Russia while village checks safety
 by Kirk D. Richards, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
 
Russian ammunition that the new Obetz police chief purchased to save money could damage officers' pistols and blow through targets, potentially putting civilians at risk, a city councilman says.

In response to Councilman Jim Triplett's concerns, Chief Dana Russell pulled the Silver Bear ammunition out of service and reissued the Gold Dots, which have no steel in their casings.

Steel casings can harm the barrel of a handgun, according to Triplett, a retired police officer who said he is leaning against confirming Russell as chief when his six-month probation as a new hire comes up July 1.

Triplett last week said he checked into Russell's background and found that he failed to disclose charges and lawsuits he faced when he served as an officer in Gahanna and police chief in Nelsonville; Russell said those cases were either dismissed or expunged.

Meanwhile, Russell says the new ammunition is safe and is less expensive at $8 a box than the $20 the department usually pays for ammunition.

Village Administrator Douglas K. Browell said the casing on the Silver Bear ammunition is not pure steel but also contains copper, nickel and tin. That, he said, makes the casing soft enough for the .40-caliber pistols issued to the village force.

Browell also said the core of the bullet is lead, meaning that the projectile would be more likely to rest in the target, not go through it.

The administrator said he disagrees with the section in the Heckler & Koch manual that recommends against the use of any "foreign" ammunition in the handguns Obetz police use.

Browell added that some dealers make claims to compel customers to buy more expensive ammunition.

Shawn Herman, a law-enforcement sales representative for Vance's Shooters Supplies, confirmed that major dealers advise against Silver Bear ammunition.

"The shell casing is as hard as the gun, and they rub against each other," Herman said. "It accelerates wear on the gun."

Experts in other Franklin County departments were unaware of Silver Bears.

"I know there's a growing Russian industry supplying inexpensive ammo," said Gahanna Police Sgt. Pat Millenbaugh, who is a firearms instructor. But he could not vouch for its reliability.

Browell said ballistics tests were conducted and that the Silver Bears did not penetrate protective vests when shot from a pistol.

"We're going to gather the facts and get to the bottom of it," Browell said. "We have zero problem with anybody raising a question."

Triplett said he has one: "If they're so great, why is no other police department carrying them?"

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Re: Leery of New Ammo For Police
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2005, 11:22:39 AM »

This Russian stuff is all over the civilian market. It tends to be very dirty and is( it seems)
a bit eractic as far as consistency goes.I picked up about 500 rounds/5.56mm of this stuff. When I checked a random sampling of 100, I found that 18 of these had primers that were inserted sideways into the primer pocket.Later, with "checked" ammo, a casing  blew during practice and I had to get a gunsmiith to get the case out of the chamber.
What kind of dolt would issue this crap to his troops?
« Last Edit: June 29, 2005, 11:24:53 AM by kayakpirate »
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Re: Leery of New Ammo For Police
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2005, 05:31:43 PM »

I don't think they're issuing it as duty ammo, just range ammo.  The biggest problem I see with this kind of ammo is that it's hard on extractors, and the extractor can break at any time.
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Re: Leery of New Ammo For Police
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2005, 07:05:28 AM »

Even if its practice ammo it does show a great lack of common sense to buy stuff based solely on price alone. The difference in price cant be more then replacing guns.Too many pencil pushers trying to save a penny to make a dime.What else is new?                                                                                                                                                 Watch out for the UMC-REM stuff also.Its the Remington stuff in the yellow box.
Blew an extractor out of my Bushmaster last year. The Bushmaster rep told me that they have problems that come from that stuff all the time,he advised me to stay away from it.I changed over to the Federal "American eagle" stuff and after about 2,000 rds of this stuff there hasnt been a single problem.
It really is a case of getting you get what you pay for.If a deal looks too good theres probably a reason.
And of course, NEVER buy reloads at a gun show.
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Re: Leery of New Ammo For Police
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2005, 07:46:53 AM »

I purchased 1500 rounds of Wolf ammo for my .45

It causes more jams and malfunctions than regular brass ammo.  When I was at Steve Krystek's level 8 gun course last January, I knew I would never pass the range test with Wolf ammo because it would malfunction too often and I would run out of time clearing jams, so I bought some Winchester just for the test.

I still have 300 rounds of the wolf left.  I will be glad when it is gone and will never buy any again.  I can't imagine anyone with their life on the line trusting such ammunition.  It is OK for range use and gives you lots of experience clearing jams.  After I come back from the range, I load up my Federal JHP ammunition for home protection.
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