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Author Topic: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym  (Read 1869 times)

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 09:24:45 PM »

Those are not 45# plates....
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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2011, 02:27:43 AM »

Look that lift up on youtube. It is done at strong man competitions.

I would never do it & cannot think of where I would need that lift in life.

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2011, 11:46:52 AM »

Yeah, they CANNOT be 45 plates each.
That just SCARES me to death to watch, 45 pounds each or not.

Yes, its  a classic move. I know football players did it for explosive strength off the line, years ago. I guess still do.

I use to do it to break my own limits. Then my back went bad. Hmmm, wonder why?

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2011, 03:55:44 PM »

Now that is purly rediculous to say the least-good way for some of those
"athletes"-? to cripple them selves- WW
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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 10:54:02 PM »

Those are not 45# plates....

first scene of video.....@30 sec: 8 45# plates = 360 +  (75#?) bar and a metal clippy (not a bar clamp).

Look at this again....something doesn't add up.
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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 11:00:02 PM »




BS video....looks cool however..

Look at 59sec....those are 10# plates.....

There's a BIG difference here.



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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2011, 10:58:41 PM »

Nope, not 45# plates.  They are 10 pounds, as has already been pointed out.  Which makes it only 125 pounds. 

After that, what's the big deal, exactly?  It's easy to take a clip out of context.  I'd like to see some science about how or why this is bad for the back.  Mind you, I haven't tried it yet, but I intend to someday.

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 08:27:51 AM »

Its bad for the back when not done properly, just like anything else, sloppy technique can get you hurt. I do those lifts all the time, I like them.
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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 09:34:50 AM »

When you are near or at your weight-lifting limits, you can always damage your body. I did it years ago doing bent-over rows with a lot of weight. I moved weird and BANG! My back! And the classic bad form...not corrected...can only go so far until an injury happens.

Weight lifting for many of us meant.

Work out and increase. Work out and increase. Work out and increase. Work out and increase...

INJURY!

Heal. Heal. Heal. Heal. Heal...Work out and increase.Work out and increase.  Work out and increase...(note how the healing is so connected to the working out) work out and increase. Work out and increase...

INJURY!

Heal. Heal. Heal. Heal. Heal...Work out and increase.Work out and increase.  Work out and increase...(note how the healing is so connected to the working out) work out and increase. Work out and increase...

How many times in one's life must one go through that rotation before catching on?

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2011, 06:59:57 PM »

I jumped off that band wagon when I hired a personal trainer for a few sessions. The guy is also a full-time fireman and explained how and why it's better to train for the long term than just rush to lift heavier and heavier weights. After all a fireman can't have a lot of down time due to training injuries. So far I'm in better shape using less, though not light weights and doing more reps (10-20).
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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2011, 11:04:05 AM »

I jumped off that band wagon when I hired a personal trainer for a few sessions. The guy is also a full-time fireman and explained how and why it's better to train for the long term than just rush to lift heavier and heavier weights. After all a fireman can't have a lot of down time due to training injuries. So far I'm in better shape using less, though not light weights and doing more reps (10-20).


See, statements like this typically come from someone who has jumped in with a crowd that is not looking at the bigger picture.  As Rob Orlando says, it takes YEARS to become strong.  As you say, people are in a rush to lift heavier and heavier weights, without worrying about the accommodation that must take place in the rest of the body and the rest of the skeletal muscular system.  That's why Crossfit recommends lifting weights at or near the 1 rep max only ONCE per week.  Few people can sustain the ability to lift heavy like that more than once a week, and doing for the same lift is a quick way to over train. 

Now, an experience that I just had that illustrates, to me, why CrossFit is the best approach for physical fitness for the military.

I just got done with and NTC rotation, out at Fort Irwin, California.  My brigade, the 37th IBCT, just spent two weeks out in the "Sandbox", which is the actual training area.  It's all desert and scrub desert, similar to Afghanistan.  One of our missions that we were required to conduct was basically a movement to contact, or what I like to call search and attack.  We were supposed to recon a site that had been used to launch mortars.  Predictably, we came under attack while moving to the launch site.  The attackers were hold up behind a large hill, on the side of a small mountain, what could be called a spur.  They had dug themselves into the rock face, essentially, and had overwhelming fire on the draw leading up to their position.  I did the only thing I felt was appropriate under the circumstances, I climbed up the backside of the mountain.  It was pretty sheer, and I thought I was going to have to go on all fours in a couple of spots, but I ended up making it to the top, around the backside of their positions.  There were three bad guys, all with their backs to me.  In all three cases, I managed to come up behind them and "kill" them before they could get a shot off.  Part of that is because they never bothered to pull rear security, and part of it is because I was able to move so quickly from one spot to the other.  No one in my squad could believe that I moved up that hill so fast.  Was I out of breath when I got to the last guy?  Yes.  Was I so gassed that I couldn't fight?  Absolutely not.  I attribute this to all of the crosstraining that I've done in CrossFit, and on my own time, as well as natural athletic ability.

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2011, 01:35:44 PM »

I'm actually a big supporter of Crossfit and recommend it highly to anyone looking for a workout regiment. 

HOWEVER,

This was a video that went viral because people saw the video at: 400#+ not 125#+   

This is a huge difference when you watch the video using 45# plates vs appropriately sized 10# weights.   The larger weights are for marketing....that's why it went viral.

Still great stuff, but.....
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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 02:33:55 PM »

I'm actually a big supporter of Crossfit and recommend it highly to anyone looking for a workout regiment. 

HOWEVER,

This was a video that went viral because people saw the video at: 400#+ not 125#+   

This is a huge difference when you watch the video using 45# plates vs appropriately sized 10# weights.   The larger weights are for marketing....that's why it went viral.

Still great stuff, but.....

See the weight was not what bothered me. It was the technique I did not like, but I guess they use this type of Clean in Strong Man competitions.

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Re: Fitness Professionals Outraged By Viral Video From a Crossfit Gym
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2011, 06:49:59 AM »

For the record: I think CrossFit is a graet way of training, far superior to most others, for "across the board" fitness.
However...
Most criticism of CrossFit is for its lack of periodization, illogical or random exercise sequences, and lacking quality-control accreditation standards for trainers and affiliates. I believe there is some cause for concern there, as CrossFit partners with Reebok (http://www.reebokcrossfitone.com/), problems which may be easy mitigated in small, close knit, "garage gyms" will become less so if CrossFit become more of a fad...
Also ... Sonnonīs various TACFit programs may well be better options which address the same issues as CrossFit.

Also check ot these 2 critiques from Testosterone Nation:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_investigative/the_truth_about_crossfit

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/question_of_strength_vol_47
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