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[Adventure]

I have not heard of this: Thought you guys might find it interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=9y4V6ybatGc

[Hock]

You haven't seen it before, because it is one of about 9 million courses just like the other 8,999,999,999 like it. The world is full of these and there will be 10 million by mid-2012.

- Other than that? What's new?
- Other than that, in a way it good there is 9 million of them,
   because some training gets spread.
- Other than that, the name is a terrible business name.

Hock

[JimH]

Here is a young guy Hakim Isler,who has some martial arts training and is a 2nd degree under Stephen Hayes ninjitsu.
He was a in the US Military in a job attached to the Spec Ops community.
So of course he is a SPEC OPS guy,lol.
He is out of the military,opened a Martial arts school and a security company,as he is a graduate of ESI,and he has taught some H2H tactics to some groups within the US Army at Ft Bragg.
He has also written a book in which he describes the advantages of using the Training of the Samurai in Modern day and modern warfare.

He is currently writing a proposal to change and update North Carolina SWAT training and tactics.(Based on what back ground ?)
He is also writing a H2H manual fro review and hopeful inclusion in training for the US Navy SEALs.(again based on what background ?)

Hey I admire the young mans goals and drive,but what he is teaching is NOTHING NEW,as nothing is really New ,just remolded and repackaged old stuff.

As Hock said there is loads of training like this out there.

[noload]

He has also written a book in which he describes the advantages of using the Training of the Samurai in Modern day and modern warfare.

Should we point out to him that the Samurai 1) really stopped being warriors during the Tokugawa Shogunate and 2) the hereditary Samurai (armed with Enfield and muzzle loading rifles as well as artillery) were fought to a stand still by Western style forces at the Siege of Kumamoto Castle?

I think we need to get ready for even more guys like this to be showing up.

[Benjamin Liu]

None of that has anything to do with whether the book is useful or not.  I just skimmed the book since did not have time to read the whole thing. 

The part about using samurai techniues relates to the use of fighting in armor.  He compares old samurai armor to modern armor and says that they are very similar in structure, so the techniques designed to work with armor would be more practical than techniques designed to work without armor.

Does this mean his ideas would work?  I don't know.  I've never trained in samural armor and I've never trained in modern armor.

AFAIK the book does not advocate fighting large-scale battles using old samurai tactics and weapons.

Aside from the armor thing, this is really nothing new.  The samurai hand to hand system was Jujutsu, and WWII combatives is based on Jujutsu.  James Williams has been doing a more direct samurai adaptation for years.

[whitewolf]

Adventure--Glad you put the vidio out to review-aside from discussing the trainers qualifications-I would like to sit in on a training session-lots better than level 1 army combatatives to say the least-
the training in use of knee strikes and use of elbows look good-as use of the helmet as a spear type blow-(not just a head butt)-
and yes this type training is growing in the world-
JMHO WW

[noload]

Here's what he's selling.

B.P.C. is a newly evolved combative system addressing the needs of the American military and civilian special teams as they face the budding threat of the 21st Century. B.P.C.s curriculum focuses on operational realism, degradation of combative proximities and combative capabilities, and escalation of force. B.P.C. finds most of its philosophy rooted in ancient Japanese battlefield combative principles. There is special emphasis placed on samurai close-quarters combative principles while in armor.

Goodness, we've been training in armor for years. TKD & Sanda guys wear armor and know that a punch is useless against it (though Sanda has takedowns), MCMAP trains in armor, John Carey has been teaching how to fight using armor for decades. Now let's add in all the CQC that's been happening in Iraq for the last 10 years.

I'm not saying what the guy is selling has no value, but it's not new, or newly evolved, and we've progressed at least to the point, if not past, to what Samurai were doing in actual close quarters combat.

[Benjamin Liu]

I've not read the marketing.  My opinions come from skimming the book.

Of course this isn't totally new, and I said so in my post regarding WWII Combatives using Jujutsu. 

My point was that it is Jujutsu with armor, not trying to be a medieval Samurai army like your post I responded to suggested.  If the instructor is advocating that they should trade their rifles for bows and spears, sidearms for swords, armored vehicles for horses, etc. then he'd be an idiot and nobody would take him seriously. 

[whitewolf]

It appears that everyone is talking about the book-how about the vidio techniques? WW

[noload]

Benjamin, that's not what I was suggesting at all. The issue is that we know what it's like to fight with and without weapons while wearing armor in a room, in a hall, an alley and many other places. We have recent reports, video and testing of what it's like. It just seems silly to me to trot out theories of a group that has a lot of myth and misunderstanding surrounding it and little in the way practical fighting experience for over 300 hundred years.

[Canuk]

Hmmm WWMD (what would Musashi do)

[Hock]

"...It just seems silly to me to trot out theories of a group that has a lot of myth and misunderstanding surrounding it and little in the way practical fighting experience for over 300 hundred years..."

Really...I think it is just a marketing ploy. Trouble is we are all getting older and smell them out right away.

Hock

[noload]

Hmmm WWMD (what would Musashi do)

Almost lost my Pepsi on that one. Guys quoting Musashi is another pet peeve.

[noload]

"...It just seems silly to me to trot out theories of a group that has a lot of myth and misunderstanding surrounding it and little in the way practical fighting experience for over 300 hundred years..."

Really...I think it is just a marketing ploy. Trouble is we are all getting older and smell them out right away.

There is that. Also I love how guys look at Japan as some ancient civilization where compared to European civilization they're the new kid on the block, and a pretty backwards one at that.

[Canuk]

I think a lot of people have this "its better of there" syndrome, meaning that because something was created/used/different and from somewhere else then it must be better than whats in their own back yard. As has been pointed out the Samurai class was disbanded a long time ago and got their asses handed to them from time to time as well.