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Author Topic: The forgotten "Pre-" knife fight  (Read 1893 times)


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The forgotten "Pre-" knife fight
« on: January 07, 2013, 11:01:02 PM »

This is from Europe

Hi Hock
I hope that everything is fine and you are healthy. I wish you a
good start in 2013. I would like to share a little story with you, tragic and funny. I have a friend which trains since many years in ____ ____, now he was interested in the knife and trains with me. So we started
with Quick Draws with folder knifes and fixed blades.

He told me that he trained many disarms and defenses against
the knife, BUT he never trained how a criminal can draw his
knife. I told him that when a guy has a clip you can assume that
he carrys a knife. He heard this for the first time.

Now, it`s funny that a such "elite" system like ____ ____ didn`t
teach him HOW an opponent would draw a knife, I mean that`s
the first step to be aware about the knife and to recognize if some-
one carrys a knife. You can say that ____ ____ brag all the time that
they are the "best", but how can they ignore such an important point?

Now, my friend was in a disco and had some argument with a
group of young men, he was aware to "scan" the opponent if he
carrys a weapon / knife, he was realizing for the first time that the
main guy had a clip on his trousers, meaning he carried a folder
knife. My friend founded a way to talk his way out and had the
chance to leave this place safely.

Imagine if he wasn`t aware that this guy had a folder knife,
maybe the fight would start and the opponent would draw his
knife and injure him badly.

Why I tell you this story? The awareness that this guy carried
a knife, made him thinking twice to fight this guy. I mean how
much would be the chance if this guy has a knife that he would
use it? Very high chance. So this knowledge was if you will a
life saver, don`t you agree?

Alright, there was my little story to you, maybe you can smile
about ____ ____ a little bit and be satisfied that your teachings
can safe lifes.

Thank you for everything, have a nice evening.


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Re: The forgotten "Pre-" knife fight
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 11:02:28 PM »

I am not smiling.
The single most missed piece of training with knives today is the knife quick draw material. I would say 85% of the time people just start their training with their knives (and sticks) already in their hand, with no regard to the draw whatsoever. Or no regard to the knife-related pre-fight material.

Keep on keeping on...


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Re: The forgotten "Pre-" knife fight
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 09:55:29 AM »

he continues...

"Most of the people forget this point, an very important point. I trained ___  for 7 (!) years and we NEVER discussed about Quick Draws, or which knifes are used (fixed blades / folder knifes) and where on the body the opponent is carrying his knife. I think it`s sad, I spend 7 years in this system, which didn't give me the knowledge which I really needed. They just taught to "defang the snake," but what if that  didn't worked with cutting the hand, you are screwed, lost. You remember the phase "we never block"? Sure you do, it`s just not realistic.
Your knife system, for example, is the most complete, easy to learn system, which I ever saw and trained. And your system gives me the faith that if something screws up that I have a plan B, and even plan C.. (Spartan to Chain to Clutches Modules)
I believe it`s the most well rounded system which I ever trained, and I saw many systems.

Well, keep up the good work:-)