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Title: every art has a weakness
Post by: Bryant on January 02, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
I have been exposed to variety of martial arts but the majority of my study has been in Aikido and Wing Chun, in every art I have been exposed to I have seen things I like and things I don't like, thing that I perceive in my personal opinion as weaknesses. I think every art has at least one chink in it's armor. Which is why I like Hock's philosophy of solutions first , systems second. Mind you I am not poopooing on these arts , I love them both. it's just these are the two I have the most experience with and thus they are the easiest for me to talk about concerning this topic.


Origin: Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu, unarmed combatives for samurai, suitable for fighting armored opponents since it focused on the joints
Primary Method: throws, joint locks and immobilizations, redirection of energy , nimble foot work
Weakness : most styles do not train to deal with "hit and retract" style of attacks, most instructors have either excluded or de-emphasized atemi. Many aikido techniques are ineffective unless atemi is applied first

Ving Tsun (Wing Chun)

Origin: Southern Shaolin martial art created as a method to quickly develop & train fighters who could deal with opponents trained in the other kung fu systems that were popular at that time
Primary Method: continuous strikes  to anatomical weak points, low line kicking , temporary immobilization for the purpose of follow up strikes
Weakness: a lack of versatility, although based on sound principles , wing chun attempts to apply a narrow range of techniques to a broad range of circumstances, wing chun would benefit from a broader range of techniques based on the same scientific principles on which the art was founded

having trained in both these arts, I have found they complement each other pretty decently and certain aspects of one art compensate for weaknesses in the other

anyone care to share their experiences on this topic of the inherent weaknesses in every system and the benefits of being a hybrid practitioner

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on January 03, 2008, 11:14:52 AM
B-are you studying these arts for compition or street-makes a difference dont you think?
   I have stopped studying particular forms of arts and trying to adopt to what is good for me on the street by taking the best from different arts and learning to act instead of reacting to situations-hope that makes sense-whitewolf
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Bryant on January 04, 2008, 12:28:00 PM
I speaking in terms of combat / self defense
Actually what I am trying to get at is that every martial art evolved within a very specific cultural context for a specific set of circumstances, for that reason both the art and the practicioner of the art must adapt and change as circumstances change, people dont fight the way they used to fight 500 hundred years ago or more
It may be best to establish a firm foundation in the art that suits you best and then do your "graduate work" in systems that address situations that your core art does not
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on January 04, 2008, 12:44:10 PM
Bryant-we are on the same  track-this past few years i have been to BJJ/Muy tai/Vale Tudo/KM/etc etc i try to  take the best  for  me from each .As I am older than most guys on the forum I need to practise on quick reaction to problems and act on it immediately.
So far in a couple of physical altercations I got there first and therefore did not get hurt.
As you say it is different than a long time ago-stay  safe whitewolf
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: oz man on February 09, 2008, 05:33:24 AM
the jumping spinning heel kick is a good example of that bryant, designed in fuedal times to unseat a rider from his horse. totally irrelavant now unless you're j.c. van damme and have $5.00 to spend on a movie. It is amazing though how many instructors will stick to these indoctrinated has-been techniques and sell them as the ultimate defence and key to enlightenment!! The upside is that it gives anyone with brains enough to question that an upper hand on the reality of cqc.
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 09, 2008, 11:33:33 AM
Hello Oz man-ok -sorry but that is the first time i  ever heard of a spinning back  heel kick to knock some one off his horse-are you serious??????/A horse is a least 6 feet high with the rider addng a few more feet  and probably armed-maybe you should think this one over a  little-have you rode the yellow bus yet? whitewolf   ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: grlaun on February 09, 2008, 12:29:39 PM
Its also important to realize that jumping spinning kicks - if used correctly they can be phenomanal body coordination exercises.  The practically of using them in real encounter is laughable but in class usage will develop undeveloped potential and skill.  But other than exercises they are useless.

White wolf - he probably was referring to the jumping version.

In all other aspects oz man is correct.
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 09, 2008, 05:08:20 PM
Grlaun-thanks for the response-as for me i am not even attempting to try a flying sppining heel kick anywhere-probably would wind up with a headache- ;D ; Oz man-good luck  with the kick if you can do  it-whitewolf
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 09, 2008, 09:42:59 PM
I agree with Rawhide 100%! I also believe that performing kicks with jumping, spinning and even the different "crescent" style movements helps with keeping the hips flexible along with the benefits of increased coordination. Although I don't advocate these types of kicks for self-defense purposes, I use them while sparring to demonstrate the variety of angles of attack that are possible.
Besides, you might have to jump over a chair, a fallen opponent, or some other obstacle during a fight; might as well be able to kick the snot out of someone while you're at it ;D!
C'mon, Whitewolf! You can't tell me a Marine is worried about a little headache ::)?
I have to agree that each martial art system is flawed in one way or another...they're all developed by humans. No perfect humans = no perfect system. That's what keeps everything so interesting!
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 14, 2008, 02:55:45 PM
Hey Dawg-I just got a chance to read the latest- been busy-naw the headache would not bother me -just the bounce off the floor when i  try the flying spinning heel kick-if i was on the horse oz was talking about i  would just give the kicker a fat smack on the heel when he came flying around-OR-as he came up in the air i  would have my horse swing around towards him as as he connected with a 3000 lb horses shoulder he would have more than a headache-which brings me to a serious story-I was in newark NJ and it was a hot summer -i was the security manager for a large complex downtown and their was a group of teens and adults starting to riot near our complex-we had to  go out and insure the gates were closed-as i wound up on the street i was charged by a few of the mob-all of a sudden a mounted Newark PO charges between us and the first rioter was struck by the side of the horse and he flew up in the air and about 5  feet into the bushes-the rest  backed off-if that mounted PO had not been there i would have had more than a headache--true story-stay  safe and semper fi-whitewolf..
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 14, 2008, 06:50:24 PM
Good story! I still like the ones where the bad guys lose.

Truth be told...my jumping spinning heel kick would only enable me to kick someone off a large dog; horses would be out of the question. But, I look soooo pretty doing it! ::)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: oz man on February 14, 2008, 08:21:11 PM
Those sorts of things are great for fitness ie_ agility, flexibility and even leg speed on lower kicks. Same as nunchaku can be good for working on hand speed and hand eye co-ordination, but certainly not as effective in battle as they may be percieved. But anything that helps is wothwhile!!

There is definitely a place for everything, the trick is to know what is worthwhile for you to practice as an individual, to suit your capabilities
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: hessian1 on February 14, 2008, 08:42:03 PM
   Hi all,

      Interesting topic and some good responses.  The thing to remember is that most if not all of the arts we have been exposed to from traditional sources are diluted. This has occurred because most where developed in a different era where this systems thrived in their specific combat environments, but few have been street/combat proven continuously since their formalization.  This was Bryant's original insight and a very valid one.
      Next, people are now turning toward taking what they perceive as the best of each system and "pressure testing" it in the cage/ring/mat and while this does have some merit it is still a flawed approach in that it is still mutually agreed rules, preparation, duration, and the undeniable and final factor in all approaches , the practitioner themselves.
      This last factor is why I agree so much with Hock's approach of teach them all options and let them create their own "system" or style ( the very original concept/idea of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do).  As an example from MMA Tim Sylvia can't fight effectively using Joyce Gracie's style nor can Randy Couture fight effectively using Jeff Monson's style. Jim McCaan won't be able to pull off some of Nick Hughes' methods and so on.
       In the end what I'm saying is systems are flawed because time has forced them into cookie cutter approaches due to most instructor's limited experience ( first degree black belt's opening their own schools with three years training have little tie nor exposure to adapting their arts to work best for the student) and the growth of doctrine in the art.

Keep safe and train hard,     Mark H
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Nick Hughes on February 14, 2008, 09:16:18 PM

I don't want to rain on your parade mate but the jumping kick to knock soldiers of horseback is another one of those urban myths like registering your hands with the police as deadly weapons and pushing nose bones through brains etc.

The average horse is fifteen hands, war steeds were for the most part bigger.  Fifteen hands is approximately five feet tall at the shoulder.  Add a saddle to that and then a rider on the saddle of average height and your jumping seven feet in the air at which point you have to clear the horses head and neck (in your case with a spinning kick) and unseat the rider who's feet are locked in to stirrups and whose knees are hugging the horse.  Ain't gonna happen mate.

If you're up for it, go out to a horse farm one weekend and check out someone sitting in the saddle and visualize pulling it off...you'll quickly see it's bollocks.

yer Uncle Nick
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 15, 2008, 06:46:30 AM
Ah Nick you are the man-and Dawg that is great that you would do a flying fucking backward over the shoulder heel kick and take out the guy on the dog-lets shoot the fucker with a trancalizer  gun in his ass-then when he lands jump on his head with a flying stomp heel  kick-it would work  better (hopefully)-yes i do need a shiltz -quickly genltlemen quickly-ok now that i  have stated more here ill go  check on the serious posts whitewolfie (el lobo blanco)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Tank on February 15, 2008, 08:03:34 AM
Hey Whitewolf and Dawg,

There is some clarification to be had here. The Dog the Dawg was referring too is a Chihuahua! All of that wasted motion with the jumping and spinning would be useless. Just use that great stomp kick(refer to Uncle Nicky's post) to split the Chihuahua into two pieces and eat him for breakfast. I here they are great protein. ;)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 15, 2008, 10:07:17 AM
You're just jealous 'cause you have zero vertical lift capabilities! ;D

Back to the original topic:

For self-defense purposes, I think you have a distinct advantage when you've trained in a variety of disciplines. I also think it's an advantage when you've had the opportunity to use these skills in your profession (bouncer, military, police officer, etc.). Nobody has the ability to tell you whats going to work best for you when the crap hits the fan; that's something you'll figure out all by your lonesome. The more you see in a training environment, the less you'll be surprised by something on the street. The more realistic your training is to your specific mission, the greater the likelihood of success.

I enjoy point sparring, but it doesn't really help me on the street.
I enjoy boxing, but it alone doesn't help me on the street.
The same can be said for my kickboxing, BJJ, and now, double-stick training.
But, put all those skill sets together and use them in realistic combat scenarios, simulating situations that are most likely to occur in today's society (and in particular, to you!)...Look out!

One particular style of martial arts just doesn't suit me. I'm interested in all of them and I enjoy learning new stuff all the time. If being a hybrid practitioner turned out to not be a good thing...I'd have to be one anyway!

Wayyy more than my 2 cents,

(The Very Hybrid)

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 15, 2008, 12:17:13 PM
Wow are your two  guys  dawg and davedawg3 brothers in arms?? Hope so--i agree that the combigning the best of the best of any  art helps on the street-the main thing is not to  freeze and stand there in the headlights like a deer-do  something-or one will be on the ground and not choking someone out but instead on the losing end of the deal-a  long time ago i was advised that "shock" is what is  needed-shock  meaning attack and overrun the opponent-quickly and without hesitation-so he goes in to "shock"-in other words -take him out-hope that makes sense-whitewolfie or el lobow blanco (as Nick has named me) :D :D
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Tank on February 15, 2008, 12:29:12 PM
Yea, we are training partners, and I'm sure I'll pay for the Chihuahua comment during our next sparring session!

In all seriousness, I agree with diversity being the best rule. However, Don't ever allow ourselves to start the belief (As in MMA) that a mixture cures all though. Situational training or as Hock says, Combat Scenarios are best suited for "Actual" fight scenarios not the "Myth of the Duel" standoffs.

I have not had the opportunity for traditional training(Only CQC stuff), but I have had the opportunity to spar those guys that have taken traditional MA. I must say that my eyes were definitely opened to the fact that being "Close Quarters" really screws with the traditional guys and it will win fights. They just don't know how to react with their striking when you close the distance.

Just my thoughts.

Oh yea dawg, I may not have vertical lift but I definitely have those characteristics of a Circus elephant........
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: oz man on February 16, 2008, 12:24:26 AM
not sure whether you misunderstood my point but ive never believed such a thing was fairdinkum, thats kind of what i was getting at. And yes ive seen horses before, and no i dont stand in my backyard practicing and aspiring to some fantasy martial art moves.
Ive been training with a reality based point of view for some time now, i tried the traditional stuff from the ages of 12-21, never seemed to work out in the world quite as good as it did in the dojo. Suprise, suprise. Cost me a couple of good beatings too, thats why i took the sfc up in 01.
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Karl on February 17, 2008, 03:56:39 AM
I think the Main Point should be.

What am i trying to achieve with what i got.

If what i have is not sufficient why not?

Lets face it, If i have a Glock 23 and the other Guy has an AK 47, the question should be, do i have to be there. If so what can i do with what i have.

Just my 2 Cents.

I agree that every art has its Weakness, if it works in the Toilets of the 'Bourbon and Beef Steak" Good, if not Modify it or do something else.

As to the spinning back kick, Not Jumping, as i am not that athletic, it works if you got the timing right.
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 17, 2008, 11:12:11 PM
Karl-first your points are well taken-now to the big question -Toilets and Beef Steaks -where the hell is  that-Bourbon street in New Oorleans? When i was in New Orleans a few years ago I was not impressed except we found a bar that had pictures of Marine Corps from world war two and Korea-hope that the hurricane did not wreck that bar-stay  safe whitewolf (el lobo blanco)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Karl on February 18, 2008, 01:53:14 AM
Sorry Whitewolf,

The 'Bourbon and beef Steak'  Kings Cross, Sydney, Australia.
Worked there for a while as the response team.
They called us the ' Alzheimer Team ', as my partner was 52 and i was 48.
We got the Job done, thou.

Stay safe.
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: arnold on February 18, 2008, 05:18:01 AM
Easy on them little dogs guys. Some, like mine, are highly trained hunter/killers. But let's hear it for Wolfie, who narrowed it all down to it's fine point with one word, "Schlitz". Nothing else is necessary.
Carry on!
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 18, 2008, 06:25:08 AM
Well Karl-i am a jerk-sidney i should have known-roo roos right  ;D ;D-Arnold ill have a shiltz any time- and as for the hunter killers-if i ever get to  your  area ill have to  carry bear mace to fight them  off-any place is  better than this  place i am getting tired of dodging the traffic out on these highways in kuwait-last night i am driving downthe highway and this local comes up the highway the wrong way-thought i was going to hit him but he turned off the road-take care and stay  safe gentlemen-whitewolf (el lobo blanco)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: oz man on February 19, 2008, 02:42:18 AM
Gday Karl, how are you mate?

Long time no see, i think the last time i saw you would have been in melbourne at the instructors course in 2002, quite a while.
Hows everything in sydney going for you? Im up in townsville now and just trying to hunt down someone worth training with, let me know if you know of anyone up here.
Cheers mate

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Nick Hughes on February 19, 2008, 09:01:06 AM
Oz man,  I lived in Townsville for a couple of years.  I loved that place.  I was head of security for the Criterion pub (is it still there?) and ran a karate school out of a mate's gym.

I wish I could help with regards to someone that way but I've lost touch with everyone up there.

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Bryant on February 19, 2008, 04:01:58 PM
I'd like to refine this topic and take it in a different direction.
Prior to learning Ving Tsun, I did not have a scientific approach
to my training or a scientific way of thinking about martial arts training
what attracted me to Hock's curriculum was that is seemd to be a modern
expression of what the original intention behind Ving Tsun might have been
and that is to take the best principles and combine them with the best techniques
using a very scientific training methodology that insures spotaneus adaptability and continued growth for the student (development of attributes).
In Ving Tsun the emphasis is...
Attributes > Principles > Techniques

Many who want to learn martial arts become collectors of techniques, specific responses to specific attacks. Learning techniques is a valuable training method, but to be a complete martial artist your study must go beyond that level. If all you have done is memorize technique you may have difficulty knowing what to do if your techniques fail. To have the ability to be fluid, spontaneous, and adaptable you must also study the principles the techniques are based on and the attributes required to make the techniques more likely to be successful.

Some examples of principles

2.Optimum line of attack
4.Forward pressure
5.Hand replacement

Some examples of attributes


I think the training methodology developed by Hock lends itself to developing fluid adaptable martial artist…

1.Learning tools (Finger, Palm, Fist, etc)
2.Solo command and mastery (repetitive movement, shadow boxing, etc.)
3.Striking (heavy bag, focus mitts, etc.)
4.Skill development drills (hubud, stick & knife patterns, etc.)
5.Combat Scenarios
(cooperative to semi-cooperative exploration of the possibilities)
6.Sparring (uncooperative combat with limitations for safety)
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 20, 2008, 06:27:15 AM
Bryant-good direction-your points are valid-i agree that in todays world one cannot stick just to one method (style)-one has to  be flexible-Here is what I have started to practise-After reading up on some of Hocks/Perkins/Geoff Thompsons thoughts I implemented the following for training alone:
I hang the punching bag up and take two  bricks and place on floor in front of  bag-
Striking the bag while standing on the bricks  (not hard)
Then i stand on one brick  only and continue the strikes
I attempt to  correct balance when i  start to  lose it
Then I get off bricks and continue the striking-
Then I do the same thing using elbows-then knees -then holding bag  or chains attempt
going into a judo  throw/sweep-standing on one brick only
I  have  found that only after one session i feel more balanced
One has to be careful you dont fall and hurt a ankle
after this i  go  into endurance/strength training-
comments please-all thoughts from the forum are appreciated-white wolf (el lobo blanco)

I am adding this to  each  session from now on
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 20, 2008, 07:55:05 AM
That's an interesting training routine.
Question: When you perform your strikes standing with one foot on one brick, is the other foot planted on the ground, or is it elevated with all your weight supported by the one foot on the brick?
You say you feel more balanced after just one session? That seems like a winner to me!
When I'm working the heavy bag, I'm usually most concerned with generating power while remaining conscientious of proper body mechanics and efficiency of motion. I also use various drills to try to increase my endurance and improve my use of combinations.
Be a little more specific on how you're performing the "one brick" portion of your routine and I'll give it a go tonight.

Great post!
I also appreciate Hock's scientific approach to training and try to analyze my own training and teaching methods from this perspective.
Under the "principles" heading you listed "hand replacement". I'm unfamiliar with that term and would appreciate some more info on that.

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 20, 2008, 08:42:26 AM
Dawg-First -one foot on brick other is elevated till you start to lose balance-if you recover continue-if need be-touch foot to floor that was elevated then raise it again-
Again-I dont go  for power but how long i can strike/hold grab/elbow etc on one leg-sense i am not a doctor-it seems to  me that the balance in your inner  ears are what keeps you from toppling-as a side note- there is a IFL fighter (forget his name) that was a professional  hockey  player-now a fighter-His balance is escellent due to skating so  long-guess its the same principal-
Did i  mention that after doing the balancing act I go against the bag with both feet on the floor-feels good to   me
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 20, 2008, 08:49:10 AM
Sounds like a plan! I'll try it out tonight. I've also been looking for a couple of cheap balance boards to experiment with; I'll try your routine with the bricks first. Thanks for sharing your idea (although, if I end up hurting my ankles, I'll be cursing you instead of thanking you!).
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Bryant on February 20, 2008, 11:59:54 AM

Hand replacement
is difficult to explain without being able to demonstrate it because it is related to several other Ving Tsun principles. In Ving Tsun we always "face" our opponent so that our centerline and the optimum line of attack are one in the same. Once you face you can adopt a triangle like structure with your arms forming the sides of the triangle and your back and shoulders forming the base. With these conditions met, both hands can reach the same point in space alternately or simultaneously, this also allows the application hand replacement. Once one of your hands occupies centerline you can use proper timing to replace that hand with the other hand minimizing the time that that space is empty. This has applications in trapping ,maintaining forward pressure , simultaneous attack and defense, and follow up/finishing techniques. This principle becomes even more effective once you have the ability to change angles and maintain facing based on your opponents reactions. It is complemented by the circular motions and angulations of styles like Arnis - Kali - Silat.

I could explain this in person in like 10 seconds and you would instantly get it...
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 20, 2008, 12:25:52 PM
Actually, that was a great explanation and I do get it. I was just unfamiliar with that particular term. Thanks!
I luv gettin edumicated! ;D
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 20, 2008, 07:42:45 PM
That was rough! Did one minute sets of each technique you listed (other than the judo stuff), for three cycles; I worked out on the TRX suspension system in between sets.
I honestly can't say I feel any more "balanced", but it was a great leg workout.
I didn't have time to do my regular bag routine afterwards; I'll try it again Friday or Saturday and follow it up with some intervals on the heavy bag. I really enjoyed the "one-legged" knee strikes though. Interesting routine; definitely different for me. Dawg likes! ;D
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 21, 2008, 02:06:32 AM
Dawg-glad u  liked  it-i  think everyones balance is a little bit  different-maybe thats why it felt better to  me for balance- i had a neighbor ask to work out  with me today so it up and at um with hand  pads and gloves-better than the bag-but ill still do  the balancing act afterwards-as to other news-Mamma and I probably will be  visiting clarksville in May-at that time ill contact you and see if i  can visit your training and work  out at least one session-i was going to germany in March BUT-Momma asked if we could do something togther-so its off to Athens for 3  days-Athens is a beautiful city and it will be my third visit there-and the Greek beer is better than Schiltz--- ;D ;D
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: arnold on February 21, 2008, 05:03:55 AM
I'd listen to the Wolfie. All of his experience drinking the best of the cheap beers gives him an in-site that none of us have. Pay close attention.
Now run down to the nearest Hajji Mart and grab a 12 pack of Schlitz, or Hamms, or even Genesee Cream Ale, or Carling Black Label if you can find it, and watch re runs of "Rat Patrol" or "Combat" for the weekend.
Phase 2 of your training is on it's way.
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 21, 2008, 06:05:47 AM
Arnold-cheap is greatttttt-fucking low income beer for us low income people-only way to go-except when I step off the plane in Dubai-Doha- or- Athens-then it is step up to FIX or Fosters -
in reality i dont know what ill do  when i  go  home though-No black  label any  more-and i  dont like Bud-tastes like paper compared to  a real  mans beer with alcohol in it so ill just stick  with Vodka on ice with a blackberry  brandy  chaser-whitewolf..I better get  back to KO information-whitewolf
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 21, 2008, 06:58:49 AM
Hmmm...re-runs of "Rat Patrol" sounds like a great idea. I can hardly wait for the Phase Two training regimen!
When I was in Dubai and Bahrain, my preference was the "Double Diamond" that seemed to always be available. I could almost always get one of the locals to buy me a pint if I'd put out my cigar! I had some great times over there (pre-Desert Storm-era).
May is a great time for you to come down here, Whitewolf. Just give me a heads-up on some stuff you want to work on and I'll make sure me and some of my boys are prepared to make the trip worth your time!

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 21, 2008, 07:42:09 AM
Arnold-I am waiting for the next phase of training please-Dawg-sounds good ill stay  in  touch-probably will pick your  brain on sudden attacks while doing interviews with both men and women in a apartment setting-plus how to protect from multiple attackers-
(real  world stuff-no kung fooy stuff) whitewolf
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 21, 2008, 08:37:39 AM
Sounds good! Hock's got some great material in Training Mission Five about "sucker punch" awareness and some info on the "interview stance". There's also some great drills in his "Multiple Opponent" DVD. I love doing that kind of stuff! For me, true happiness occurs when I'm pounding the snot out of something. Don't really care what I'm pounding or what weapon I'm using; it's all good as far I'm concerned.
Arnold's basically the same way; he just prefers to be able to add insult to injury, while I'm perfectly content with just injury. ;D
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 22, 2008, 06:10:00 AM
Hey Dawgand Arnold-Arnold do you add the insult  before or after you smack the shit out of the opponent? I would prefer to smack him and then as he is on the floor say to  his girl friend -lets go get a fosters hon- ;D ;D
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: grlaun on February 22, 2008, 08:35:22 AM
I think phase 2 has something to do with St Arnold's lager and watching Blazing Saddles 100 times.... GREAT training!
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 22, 2008, 09:51:36 AM
Blazing saddles was tremundooos -saw it at least 3  times over the years-whitewolf
Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: Dawg on February 22, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
Arnold prefers to insult you first:
"You freakin' moron! One scoop; how hard is that! If you're retarded, you should wear a sign or something!"

Then during:
SNAP! "Hey, your finger wouldn't snap like that if you'd keep it out of your nose."
CRACK! "See, too much Jiff peanut butter in your diet. Gives you weak wrists."
POP! "If you'd get off your lard ass your knees would be stronger just from supporting your land manatee enormousness and wouldn't buckle like that."

Then after:
"I AM the guy your mother warned you about. I know you don't know who your daddy is, but you know who your mother is?" SMACK "Don't 'cha?" STOMP

I just tend to growl a lot.
Always wanted to be like Spider-Man...ended up being like the Hulk (just much smaller and not green).

Title: Re: every art has a weakness
Post by: whitewolf on February 23, 2008, 12:08:15 AM
Snap pop crackle -sounds like a add for Rice Krispys-smack him first  -last- what ever just insure you smack him-oh by the way- if the attacker is a woman- still smack  her-