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General Category => Unsecret Lives of Walter Mitty => Topic started by: Bryan on November 26, 2009, 11:23:44 AM

Title: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on November 26, 2009, 11:23:44 AM
http://www.closecombatinstructors.com/james-webb.htm


  I recently got some bad news about James Webb and I would like to see it all get cleared up. For me this dates back many years, I even met one of the teams in Hawaii that was going to Vietnam to help recover bodies and I know he was involved in that.

  A few years ago his name started getting thrown around the Internet all over the place involving Special Forces and Combatives. The main person was Tank Todd out of NZ and then Blaise Loong in California. Then all kinds of websites and people not involved in American Combatives seemed to show up with documents from James Webb and his name was mentioned on many websites with all kinds of titles and things that seemed questionable.

  The information is he was never Special Forces and never a Ranger, he was assigned to a unit but there are many questions about that. In the latest episode or should I say webisode he has been accused of ripping off POW families and that is a 0 tolerance issue with me or anyone I call friend.



  Click The Link For Full Article
http://powwarrior.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/powmia-insider-another-attempt-to-fleece-the-issue/

 I really have to wonder, is the Webb family just out to get us?  Althought it has been made clear that the infamous Johnie Webb at JPAC and James M. Webb, a retired investigative team leader who worked on the ground in SEA in both Detachment 1 and 2 from 1989 to 2003, are not related, they both obviously have the same goal – to make a living off of us for as long as they can.

 Johnie has a record that those who know the Issue do not need to hear again, and still today he continues to quietly mislead family members and make excuses for investigative shortcomings.  Yet now, we have a new nemesis in James M. Webb.  It would appear that now he has retired from active military service and did a stint in the Middle East, this adrenaline junkie wants to cash in on the POW/MIA Issue, that means cash in on us.   He along with a few others have marketed the following website, http://www.powmiainsider.com/ as “the untold story”.   They have an e-book available, The POW/MIA History 101, which, interestingly enough you can download but not print for easier reading, an instant red flag.  The information in the e-book is nothing new to any of us and unless you are looking for a refresher course, it is old news.  They are also selling, for the low, low price of $29.95 plus shipping and handling, a 3 DVD interview with James M. Webb himself which advertises as “The Untold Story”.   The DVD also eludes to a book that will soon be published, “Last Known Alive”, as well as the JTF-FA Team Commander’s Handbook.


  Click The Link For Full Article
http://powwarrior.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/another-con-man-fleecing-the-powmia-issue/

In a previous post I shared my personal views on former JPAC field investigator James M. Webb and his recent attempt to fleece the POW/MIA Issue with claims of “inside information”.  After viewing his first of many money making products, I suspected that Webb was trying to make a quick buck by marketing his insider idea to families and activists.

Little did I know that his plans were on an even grander scale.  I have been made aware of some of the activities of James M. Webb and let me make this clear, he is in the same category as Mike Hearns and Richard/Hadel who was recently exposed by POW/MIA Families.  Webb seems to be escalating his level of fraud on family members.  First, we have the DVD “The Untold Story” which really tells us nothing that we don’t already know.  It was so poorly made and the lack of preparation is more than evident as the DVD goes on.

Now, it appears, that Webb has moved on to more covert operations and is targeting individual families or groups of families with claims of assistance, knowledge of live men and contacts in SEA that can “help” bring out a live man.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on November 27, 2009, 02:45:35 AM
  Ad from Budo Video

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  Copy of Email sent to James Joyce that was never responded too in 2003.

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19672&page=2

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cxxxxxxxxx LTC
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:10 AM
> > To: 'jjoyce@specialforcescombatives.com'
> > Ccxxxxxxxx CW3; Pxxxxxxxxx MSG
> > Subject:I'm interested in SF Combatives
> >
> > Mr Joyce
> >
> > I am sending you this e-mail in my private capacity as a member of the Special Forces Association (D-5922, Chapter 7). A lot of interest (to say the least) has been generated here at SWC by the SF Combatives website. It appears that some of Mr Webb's bio is suspicious---several issues come to mind:
> >
> > 1. No record of his attendance at SFQC during the 81-83 time frame.
> > 2. The only James M. Webb that graduated the Ranger course was a ROTC Cadet from Brigham Young Univ. Class 1-77 (James Matthew Webb).
Possibly your associate used a different middle initial.
> > 3. The obvious questions as to why a MI Warrant would attend HALO, SCUBA, SERE or INTAC.
> > 4. No record of him having served with any SMU (service in these units might explain HALO, SCUBA, SERE, INTAC).
> > 5. His status as an "inductee" to the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame. His is not listed on the existing Web Site (nor among the 2001 inductees).
> > This may be merely an administrative error (not sure who got
inducted in 2002). I have an e-mail out to the Hall of Fame to confirm his status. .(His confirmation was later DENIED)
> >
> > To avoid people questioning your SF credentials it might help if you provided your Ranger Class number and SFQC attendance dates (believe the web site said you were an 18E). I'll confirm your attendance an dispell any allegations to the contrary here at Bragg.

If we cannot substantiate any of Mr Webb's qualifications I plan on contacting Jimmy Dean (National President of the SF Association) and providing our concerns to him.

> > This is cut/paste from the SF Wall of Shame Wannabe's Web Site:
> >
> > JAMES WEBB: Graduated from high school in 1971, but claims to have been with SOG. That would mean that he would have had to complete BCT, AIT, BAC, and SFTG in a little over a year in order to make it to SEA in order to be assigned to SOG. Highly improbable, not to mention, NO record of any SF assignments were located.
> >
> > Xxxxxx CXXXXXXX
> > LTC, SF
> > Deputy Director Xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > (910) 4xx-xxxxxxxx
> > email: xCxxxxxxx@soc.mil
> >

_________________________________________________________________
> Txxxxxxxx
>
> 1. This guy is unbelievable. Bottom line. he never attended SFQC, MFF or any other course that I can verify here at SWC. I called the Ranger department on 21 January 03. I am willing to bet that he did not go I cut/pasted this from my 21 Jan e-mail "I contacted the Ranger Department (SFC Sitzler) this morning. Only one James M. Webb has graduated from the
> Ranger Course(a Cadet from Brigham Young--Class 1-77). Other James Webbs may have gone, but only one James M. If we can get his SSN or a firm class date I can check again."
>
> 2. I checked with the MI school and several CI agents I know. None of them know him (I bet he was an all-source Intell Warrant).
>
> 3. His web site claimed that he was a member of the world martial arts hall of fame. That is B.S. We checked the web site. He claimed to have invented the Korean Special Forces Martial Art--what the hell would the Koreans need a gringo to teach them to be Karate-men. He claimed to have been.
>
> 4. No one from 1 SFG can remember him (pretty remarkable for the head Martial Artist in Group). He claimed to have served in Thailand with SF. I checked with several 43rd Co Alumni. No one ever heard of him. One guy (Steve Shoup) brought in his yearbook from the year that Webb claimed to have been in Thailand. He is so secret that we could not find him.
>
> 5. He claims Bronze Stars and tells Vietnam stories don't seem
possible. It may have happened, but I am willing to bet it did not.
>
> 6. He shut his web site down after Phil Provencher, Jeff Dahlby and I began to question his credentials. Tell him to provide dates/class numbers and I will track it down. If he is real I will inform Jimmy Dean at the SF Association, but I bet he does not provide anything concrete. He may be a gifted Karate-man, but I am willing to bet he was never in SF other than working in the Grp/Bn "2" shop.
>
> 7. I have a whole folder (58 e-mails) titled "Wall of Shame" with his stuff in it.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on December 04, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
Webb has been around since the 1980s. Perhaps so long (like Spour) that people don't even think to question his background?

I am interested in seeing what proof might come up through POWNetwork? The Beret community is a relatively small one....

Hock

Here's a update, He is now listed on POW Network for ripping off the families of POWs. As far as I know every SF guy that has been contacted has stated they never heard of him. There are no records of him ever being Special Forces other than being attached for a short time in 80s. That's where the trophy picture came from that has been used to promote and sell Webb as Special Forces.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/list_of_names.htm
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on December 04, 2009, 12:41:57 PM
Webb has been around since the 1980s. Perhaps so long (like Spour) that people don't even think to question his background?

I am interested in seeing what proof might come up through POWNetwork? The Beret community is a relatively small one....

Hock

Here's a update, He is now listed on POW Network for ripping off the families of POWs. As far as I know every SF guy that has been contacted has stated they never heard of him. There are no records of him ever being Special Forces other than being attached for a short time in 80s. That's where the trophy picture came from that has been used to promote and sell Webb as Special Forces.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/list_of_names.htm

Isnt this the guy that gave Todd his special forces combat instrucotr status? could be bad busniess if this is the case
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on December 05, 2009, 10:46:35 PM
Further self-written bio on Jim Webb from his main orgainzation, the International CQB this or that thingy...

<<<<>>>>

US Elite Forces Master Chief. Over twenty years service with the U.S. Army. His qualifications include Special Forces, Rangers, Airborne, Air-Assault, SERE Instructor (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape), close combat instructor to Thailand and Korean Airborne, Korean Rangers, intelligence agent and interrogator. Chief Webb trained the Liberian Presidential bodyguard unit and worked security for the 1988 Seoul Olympics.

He is a Vietnam veteran and was awarded the Bronze Star for Valor. Chief Webb is currently working the Missing In Action / Prisoner Of War program in Vietnam. He was an instructor and advisor to the Korean Special Forces, assisting them in developing the White Tiger fighting system used by the Korean Special Forces

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Is there a list of Bronze Star of valor names accessable?


Hock
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on December 06, 2009, 12:54:28 AM


 The Bronze Star is a wild card. I have yet to find any official reference to it anywhere and nobody seems to know anything about it. There are also many questions about him ever being in Vietnam during wartime and exactly what he was doing there if he was there. That's the danger when one gets caught up in one case of fraud, people tend to go back and dig into other stories. In the case of Webb, no good information has turned up, every question just brings up more questions.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: grlaun on December 06, 2009, 07:33:10 AM
Sounds like someone else we know...
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on December 21, 2009, 02:44:59 PM
James Webb has been proven to be a phony.
He never served in the Rangers or Special Forces.
He never served in Vietnam.

His martial arts training/Background is also fabricated.

He was a Military imtelligence Warrant Officer assigned to an SF Unit and was authorized at the time to wear a Green Beret,but he was not SF qualified.

He did work for POW Recovery team and did help bring many bodies home from Vietnam.

He has since ripped off the families of many POW's .

It is said he lives in Thailand and teaches his brand of Martial arts and runs/owns ? a bar there.
...
Larry Jordan is the REAL DEAL Ranger and Special Forces operator.

Larry was one of my instructors during SFQC Phase One at Camp Mackall .
...
These men are Chief Instructors under Geoff Tank Todd's organization.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on December 21, 2009, 05:00:40 PM
As I said on that thread:
Blaise Loong had nothing to do with Special Forces
The James Webb Certificate with 1st SF on it,along with the article and pictures was not authorized,it was just a way to sell BS to the public.

The SF community had heard the stories of Webb's adventures and claims and they did not choose to investigate.
Webb worked for POW Recovery and began to tell his stories as truths to SF members who began to see through his BS.
Families began to complain about Webb's asking and taking money from them and the SF Community decided to look into him.
The fraud that is/was Mr Webb was exposed.

One of those who lead the Investigation was Special Forces CSM (Ret) Lupiack (sp?)
Lupiack was one of the SF Members on the Son Tay Raid and was an Instructor (ret) at the 1st Phase of SFQC telling the troops of the Mission,Training ,Deployment and Ending to the Raid.

Here is a Link to Webb's son in Thailand.
He was a former Muay Thai fighter in thailand on TV.
http://www.thaioasis.com/nightlife/brothertony.php
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on December 21, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
Wasnt Webb the one that gave Todd his Special forces combat instructor qual? isnt this what Todd built his empire on?
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on December 21, 2009, 07:55:46 PM
I believe Todd has said that part of his Special forces Qualifications was :
Meeting Larry Jordan ,Special Forces,at Fort Bragg and Mastering Larry's "Dirty Dozen".

Then on to Special Forces Qualifications under James Webb.

As I said when this thread first began,James Webb taught a SELF Created system.
It was NEVER Part of any Special Forces H2H program,it was developed to sell to civilians and Todd was one of the First civilians trained in this made up system.

It is/was all BS and intended to attract civilians not in the know,people who believe it was part of the Special Forces Training programs,which it WAS NOT.

All about trading titles and developing paper trails that mostly lead to Fakes and Frauds or to Real people fooled into taking pictures and handing out paper ,those things are also intended to Mislead and Distort the Truth.

So Webb is a Fake
Never A Ranger,Never Special Forces,Never SERE,Never HALO,Never SCUBA,Never a Trainer to the Koreans,Never given any rankings in any martial art,(except by his friends).
So if he is a Fake and His art is made up,what does it make those who try to cash in on it ?

I think Tod claims much more than Jim Webb's training though.
The Instructor who had the school in which Todd now teaches was his first claim to WWII combat methods.
Then there are Charles Nelson,Rex Applegate,Larry Jordan on and on.
He spent a few days with Nelson,a few days with Jordan,a few days with Applegate ,so when did the training take place for learning from these men ?

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on December 21, 2009, 09:08:54 PM
Todd had made the claim that he went to Tailand and met with Webb to undertake special forces hand to hand training, Then ended up as a h2h instructor granted authority by Webb. That was on Todds web page at one point
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on December 21, 2009, 09:55:20 PM
Yes Canuk,
Todd's claim to have gone to Thailand and Get certified under Webb is still on his site.

Problem is,as said,Webb was not in Special Forces and the H2H he qualified Todd and others in is his own made up BS.

The following are from Todd's site:
"Tank has passed his Special Forces combative instructor qualification course in Southeast Asia and is certified to instruct both the Applegate, Baldock and Nelson systems"

"The ICCIA is headed by Geoff Todd (Tank), a current Special Forces CQB Master Chief Instructor of New Zealand and Lawrence Jordan, a US Special Forces Close Combat Master Chief Instructor. Tank and Lawrence have to ensure the Association is kept elite and its standards are never compromised. "

"Always hungry for more knowledge Tank has been trained and certified up to Master Chief Instructor by some of the modern-day military Master Chiefs of Special Operations close combat as well. These modern-day Master Chiefs include Captain Ben Mangels, a former chief instructor to the South African military elite and police as well as the British elite, US Army Special Forces Master Chief instructors James Webb and Lawrence Jordan."

...
Webb was teaching his SF Combat qualification
Larry Jordan did not teach or qualify people under that,Larry qualified Todd under Larry's "Dirty Dozen"

If we look at the ICCIA piece we see that Webb has been removed and Larry and Todd now run that org.

Also on Todd's site we see a 2004 seminar in Thailand and Webb is mentioned a s former Chief Instructor ??

Also I believe ,but could be wrong,that Larry Jordan taught his brand of Martial arts to those interested at Fort Bragg and Else where,but I do not think he taught OFFICIALLY as an SF Instructor teaching an authorized SF H2H program.
(he was as I said a SF Phase 1 Instructor at Camp Mackall,but not teaching H2H)
I could be wrong though as Larry  was in many varied aspects of SF and did a lot of High Speed Training.
(this is why Todd was certified at Bragg under Larry's "Dirty Dozen" not under any official SF H2H course)

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on December 21, 2009, 10:39:19 PM
SO what is Jordans "dirty dozen". Is that just 12 of his most favorite moves? is that an SF thing.  whats the deal? Cause i have a dirty half dozen moves...half teh ptice of Jordans!!!
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on December 22, 2009, 09:06:24 AM
Larry Jordan's "Dirty Dozen" are 12 techniques he published to cover Most Self Defense needs.
It has nothing to do with Special Forces,other than Larry was in Special Forces,but as said most of his martial arts training and teaching was not SF authorized,(to my knowledge),just a soldier in SF who trained in Martial arts of various types and taught it to his team members and others interested.

http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Dozen-Techniques-Self-Defense-Situation/dp/1581603177

The description says that Larry was tasked by SF Commanders to develop this,but as we see on the cover it is for civilians not military.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on December 22, 2009, 09:48:00 AM
You Sir, are a mine of information!
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Michael Janich on January 25, 2010, 07:15:04 PM
 
To All:
 
This thread was forwarded to me by a friend who is very active in Hock’s organization and I felt compelled to jump in. My reason for posting is to set the record straight—as much as possible—with regard to Jim Webb, but more importantly, with regard to the folks that trusted him and now regret it.
 
I first met Jim Webb (the James M. Webb that is the subject of this thread) in late 1988 when I was still in the U.S. Army and assigned on temporary duty to the Joint Casualty Resolution Center (JCRC) at the Embassy in Bangkok. I was a Staff Sergeant and Jim came through on a visit, having already come down on orders to be assigned to the unit a few months later. Per military protocol, I afforded him the respect that an enlisted person should a warrant officer.
 
In late 1989, I was working for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) assigned to the U.S. Consulate in Hong Kong. Jim was in Thailand, but frequently made official trips to Hong Kong to interview Vietnamese refugees in the camps there. I was his point of contact to arrange access to the camps, so we typically coordinated our camp visits when he came to town. During those times, we discovered that we had a common interest in the martial arts. He ultimately gave me a set of his first Panther videos on “Special Forces Combatives” as a gift.
 
Jim explained that, while he was assigned to 1st SF Group, the group was assigned to support security for the Seoul Olympics. The group commander visited South Korea and saw their SF unit training. That unit had developed its own distinctive close-combat system and the group commander wanted to do the same thing for 1st Group. Webb immediately volunteered to head up the project.
 
Basically, Webb used 1st Group’s discretionary training budget to hire noted martial artists to come in and teach 1-2-week blocks of instruction on their system. He brought in people like James DeMile, Blaise Loong, and I believe Bernie Lau. In the process, Webb “extracted” as much as he could from the programs of each and used that as the basis for his combatives program.
 
I viewed Jim’s videos and was underwhelmed. They were mostly a rehash of other material and a bunch of bogus sentry-removal stuff. What really struck me as lame, however, were his knife tactics. When he asked me what I thought of the videos, I told him that I thought they were “solid,” except for the knife work. He was offended, and asked me what I thought would be better. I showed him what I was doing with knife (primitive in comparison to what I do now, but at least it was logical at the time) and his eyes lit up.
 
In 1991, I accepted a job with JCRC and Jim and I were stationed together. Immediately after I arrived on station, he asked me if I’d be interested in partnering with him on a series of Panther videos on knife fighting. I was excited about the possibility of doing the videos and agreed. To make  long story short, Jim’s contribution to the videos was negligible and I realized that he used the project to keep his relationship with Panther alive and make money on my skills. I also learned that Joe Jennings at Panther was the perfect complement to Webb: a liar who didn’t pay royalties and used people to line his own pockets.
 
After that experience—and the experience of working with Webb on the POW/MIA issue for a while—I realized that he was a scammer and a con artist who used other people’s talents for personal gain. When I learned how he had treated his first and second wives (he was on number three at that time), I had even less respect for him and kept my distance.
 
During my tour in Thailand, Webb told me that he had a student coming to Bangkok to test for certification in SF Combatives. He bragged that he had created a testing process that would put the student through his paces and challenge him physically and mentally. I later learned that the student, whom I met during his visit, was Geoff Todd. Although I only spent a short time with Geoff, he struck me as a genuine person with a true desire to learn and prove himself. I also feared that Webb had scammed him with his SF program and testing process.
 
Everyone in our unit had concerns about Webb’s ethics. When he was being considered for promotion, a copy of his military personnel file (201 file) was forwarded to the unit for his review. One of my friends, an Army enlisted man and one of the most talented, straight-up folks with whom I’ve ever worked, had done his first tour in the Army as a company clerk and knew admin stuff inside out. He “borrowed” Webb’s file and reviewed it. Shortly later, he brought it over to me with a photo Webb had of himself in a class “A” uniform. We compared the awards and decorations in his file and his official DOD photo with those he wore on a regular basis. They were not the same and it was clear that he claimed honors he had never earned.
 
To my knowledge, Webb did complete Ranger school; however, he was never “tabbed” as SF and never went to the “Q” course. His claim of SF was based on having been attached to 1st Group. Being attached allowed him certain dress code privileges, like wearing jump boots with class A’s and wearing a beret; however, he could not wear the SF “flash” or the tab.
 
After I left government service, I went to work for Paladin Press. Jim regularly sent me and the president of the company book and video proposals and tried to use his acquaintance with me to leverage projects. I vehemently recommended against doing anything with him.
 
As recently as a year ago, he has had co-authors (he can’t write) of his POW/MIA exposé books contact me about contributing to the projects. I have told every one of them that Jim is a scammer who should not be trusted.
 
To put it bluntly, Webb is a self-aggrandizing con artist. Although he had reasonable skill as a martial artist and used to be pretty fit, none of that ever came close to making up for his lack of ethics.
 
The true tragedy of this story (besides Jim’s numerous wives and two kids) is the fact that a number of good, trusting people have had their reputations damaged and impugned by association with Webb. They trusted him and gave him the benefit of the doubt, only to learn the truth much later. Unfortunately, by that time, the damage has been done.
 
In my opinion, the greatest victims of this guilt by association have been the founders of the International Close-Combat Instructor’s Association (ICCIA), Geoff Todd and Larry Jordan. I have been a member of the ICCIA since the early 1990’s, primarily because of the recommendation of the late Col. Rex Applegate, who was the patriarch of the organization. To be quite honest, for a long time, I was not active in the organization and never did much to support it. I also did not know Geoff and Larry very well. In recent years, my association with them has gotten considerably tighter, and the more I get to know them, the more I respect them. In December 2008, I attended the ICCIA’s convention at Todd’s school in Dunedin, New Zealand. I trained extensively with his students, with Larry Jordan, and with the other active members of the organization. I also had the opportunity to review Todd’s collection of memorabilia from his training, including photos and videos of his training with Charles Nelson, Col. Applegate, and his mentors in New Zealand. With the benefit of that in-depth experience and, in particular, seeing the caliber of Todd’s senior students, I now know for a fact that he and Jordan are the real deal. Like me, they made the mistake of trusting Jim Webb. However, their reputations should not suffer for that error in judgment.
 
I hope this helps clear the air a bit and give credit, credibility, and blame where it is due.
 
Stay safe,
 
Michael Janich
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on January 26, 2010, 01:52:43 AM

To All:
 
This thread was forwarded to me by a friend who is very active in Hock’s organization and I felt compelled to jump in. My reason for posting is to set the record straight—as much as possible—with regard to Jim Webb, but more importantly, with regard to the folks that trusted him and now regret it.
 
I first met Jim Webb (the James M. Webb that is the subject of this thread) in late 1988 when I was still in the U.S. Army and assigned on temporary duty to the Joint Casualty Resolution Center (JCRC) at the Embassy in Bangkok. I was a Staff Sergeant and Jim came through on a visit, having already come down on orders to be assigned to the unit a few months later. Per military protocol, I afforded him the respect that an enlisted person should a warrant officer.
 
In late 1989, I was working for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) assigned to the U.S. Consulate in Hong Kong. Jim was in Thailand, but frequently made official trips to Hong Kong to interview Vietnamese refugees in the camps there. I was his point of contact to arrange access to the camps, so we typically coordinated our camp visits when he came to town. During those times, we discovered that we had a common interest in the martial arts. He ultimately gave me a set of his first Panther videos on “Special Forces Combatives” as a gift.
 
Jim explained that, while he was assigned to 1st SF Group, the group was assigned to support security for the Seoul Olympics. The group commander visited South Korea and saw their SF unit training. That unit had developed its own distinctive close-combat system and the group commander wanted to do the same thing for 1st Group. Webb immediately volunteered to head up the project.
 
Basically, Webb used 1st Group’s discretionary training budget to hire noted martial artists to come in and teach 1-2-week blocks of instruction on their system. He brought in people like James DeMile, Blaise Loong, and I believe Bernie Lau. In the process, Webb “extracted” as much as he could from the programs of each and used that as the basis for his combatives program.
 
I viewed Jim’s videos and was underwhelmed. They were mostly a rehash of other material and a bunch of bogus sentry-removal stuff. What really struck me as lame, however, were his knife tactics. When he asked me what I thought of the videos, I told him that I thought they were “solid,” except for the knife work. He was offended, and asked me what I thought would be better. I showed him what I was doing with knife (primitive in comparison to what I do now, but at least it was logical at the time) and his eyes lit up.
 
In 1991, I accepted a job with JCRC and Jim and I were stationed together. Immediately after I arrived on station, he asked me if I’d be interested in partnering with him on a series of Panther videos on knife fighting. I was excited about the possibility of doing the videos and agreed. To make  long story short, Jim’s contribution to the videos was negligible and I realized that he used the project to keep his relationship with Panther alive and make money on my skills. I also learned that Joe Jennings at Panther was the perfect complement to Webb: a liar who didn’t pay royalties and used people to line his own pockets.
 
After that experience—and the experience of working with Webb on the POW/MIA issue for a while—I realized that he was a scammer and a con artist who used other people’s talents for personal gain. When I learned how he had treated his first and second wives (he was on number three at that time), I had even less respect for him and kept my distance.
 
During my tour in Thailand, Webb told me that he had a student coming to Bangkok to test for certification in SF Combatives. He bragged that he had created a testing process that would put the student through his paces and challenge him physically and mentally. I later learned that the student, whom I met during his visit, was Geoff Todd. Although I only spent a short time with Geoff, he struck me as a genuine person with a true desire to learn and prove himself. I also feared that Webb had scammed him with his SF program and testing process.
 
Everyone in our unit had concerns about Webb’s ethics. When he was being considered for promotion, a copy of his military personnel file (201 file) was forwarded to the unit for his review. One of my friends, an Army enlisted man and one of the most talented, straight-up folks with whom I’ve ever worked, had done his first tour in the Army as a company clerk and knew admin stuff inside out. He “borrowed” Webb’s file and reviewed it. Shortly later, he brought it over to me with a photo Webb had of himself in a class “A” uniform. We compared the awards and decorations in his file and his official DOD photo with those he wore on a regular basis. They were not the same and it was clear that he claimed honors he had never earned.
 
To my knowledge, Webb did complete Ranger school; however, he was never “tabbed” as SF and never went to the “Q” course. His claim of SF was based on having been attached to 1st Group. Being attached allowed him certain dress code privileges, like wearing jump boots with class A’s and wearing a beret; however, he could not wear the SF “flash” or the tab.
 
After I left government service, I went to work for Paladin Press. Jim regularly sent me and the president of the company book and video proposals and tried to use his acquaintance with me to leverage projects. I vehemently recommended against doing anything with him.
 
As recently as a year ago, he has had co-authors (he can’t write) of his POW/MIA exposé books contact me about contributing to the projects. I have told every one of them that Jim is a scammer who should not be trusted.
 
To put it bluntly, Webb is a self-aggrandizing con artist. Although he had reasonable skill as a martial artist and used to be pretty fit, none of that ever came close to making up for his lack of ethics.
 
The true tragedy of this story (besides Jim’s numerous wives and two kids) is the fact that a number of good, trusting people have had their reputations damaged and impugned by association with Webb. They trusted him and gave him the benefit of the doubt, only to learn the truth much later. Unfortunately, by that time, the damage has been done.
 
In my opinion, the greatest victims of this guilt by association have been the founders of the International Close-Combat Instructor’s Association (ICCIA), Geoff Todd and Larry Jordan. I have been a member of the ICCIA since the early 1990’s, primarily because of the recommendation of the late Col. Rex Applegate, who was the patriarch of the organization. To be quite honest, for a long time, I was not active in the organization and never did much to support it. I also did not know Geoff and Larry very well. In recent years, my association with them has gotten considerably tighter, and the more I get to know them, the more I respect them. In December 2008, I attended the ICCIA’s convention at Todd’s school in Dunedin, New Zealand. I trained extensively with his students, with Larry Jordan, and with the other active members of the organization. I also had the opportunity to review Todd’s collection of memorabilia from his training, including photos and videos of his training with Charles Nelson, Col. Applegate, and his mentors in New Zealand. With the benefit of that in-depth experience and, in particular, seeing the caliber of Todd’s senior students, I now know for a fact that he and Jordan are the real deal. Like me, they made the mistake of trusting Jim Webb. However, their reputations should not suffer for that error in judgment.
 
I hope this helps clear the air a bit and give credit, credibility, and blame where it is due.
 
Stay safe,
 
Michael Janich


  Michael, Thank you so much for clearing up this matter once and for all. In the past I defended Jim Webb until I ended up with more questions than answers and nobody associated with him cared to clear up the questions. Later I suspected there was a conspiracy to conceal facts regarding Jim Webb but you have now made a public statement regarding the matter so for me this is case closed.

  Geoff Tank Todd, When I contacted you a few years ago you sent me your phone number and asked me to call you. I did not call you and that was my bad, was my mistake. The single issue I have ever had with you was your association with Jim Webb when there were many questions about him. Now that this is cleared up I want to make a public apology to you for anything I have written in the past which put you in the Zodiac with Jim Webb.

  I recently saw the pictures of your new knives and they look great. They are based on classic designs and 100% tool, no fancy nonsense as a selling point. I for one am glad you have finally had your name cleared, best regards on your current and future projects.

http://www.fighttimes.com/magazine/magazine.asp?article=845
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 26, 2010, 08:31:53 PM
According to the story mr Janich states that he believes Mr Webb completed Ranger school and or was a Ranger.
Mr Webb NEVER attended Ranger School and was Never Awarrded the RANGER Tab,Nor was Mr Webb Ever a Ranger.
Mr Webb was also NEVER SF qualified nor in Special Forces.
These are facts and was proven by SF members who looked into Mr Webb after his POW/MIA rip off of family members.
One of the Men who has put his name to this FACT is US Army Special Forces CSM (Ret) Lupiak.

Mr Webb is a total fraud.

It is nice of Mr Janich to say that Mr Todd was scammed by Mr Webb but Mr Todd was and is looking for training of any kind that lends to his ability to make claims of special training.
How did he find Mr Webb ?

When the author says Mr Todd is the REAL DEAL,I have to ask REAL DEAL in what ?

The Fake paper work that Mr Todd got from Mr Webb opened doors for him as people BELIEVED that that BS Certificate was some real deal Special Forces Instructor Training Certificate,he knew,Webb knew and others knew it was BS but they all went forward with it.

Mr Todd has training ,but none of it is Military.
Mr Todd says he would have LIKED to have joined the Military,well why didn't he ?
Mr Harry Baldock was the close combat instructor Mr Todd first had ,and it is this school he took over.
Yet Mr Baldock's school was for weight lifting/fitness and wrestling.
Yes Mr Baldock was an unarmed combat instructor but he TAUGHT wrestling,which is what his school was famous for.
How much training was actually done with Mr Applegate ?
How much training was actually done with Mr Nelson ?
Who actually gave Mr Todd his certificate with Mr Nelsons name on it ?
(I know where it came from and it was not Mr Nelson)

Again Webb's BS piece of paper was the door opener.

Pictures and Certificates,many frauds or certificates with name changes on them.

Mr Todd has many Military trainers around him and has training and experiences with Real players but how does that translate to being the real deal ?
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Jesse on January 27, 2010, 08:36:38 AM
Just a note, but I can remember as a teenager reading through Black Belt magazine and wishing I had the cash to actually buy some of the "phenomenal" videos that were advertised.  My "Journey" has been extremely short compared to you guys.  A lot of it has consisted of being taught one thing...then someone else showing me exactly why that isn't such a good idea and why something else is more realistic and practical...then someone else explaining why THAT isn't so realistic and why something else is etc....  I'm not ex-military or current.  I'm not a LEO.  I'm just a husband and dad trying to deal with the prospect of being in harms way.  I'm also in a situation where like it or not, I have to judge for myself just like anyone.  That means wading through the muck to do my best to pick the best real operators I can and listen to their comments...which often totally disagree still.  So I have to look for themes that are across the board etc....  I'm going somewhere with this....

I know how easy it was for me to believe that something really was legitimate...especially if the person really believed it was legitimate...or really hoped it was.  It's taken time and exposure to others to really figure my way out of it.  In the process I've become a lot more skeptical, but again it's taken time.  I really can't find it in myself to condemn someone for training with a fraud or seeking out a fraud/misguided individual/wannabe early in their career.  Especially when they've actively continued to do everything they can to grow as a fighter.  In Tank Todd's case it's very obvious that he was doing everything he could to pick the finest brains he could.  In a number of cases he found some people I'd have given anything just to shake the hand of.  He also obviously found some nutters.  So what.  The overall picture is someone who was...and is...trying very hard.  And achieving a ton too.

For my part I'm with Nick now.  I'm still doing everything I can to find other people around here to polish little bits (with his knowledge) like bjj or knife work etc..., but the realism I'm learning is priceless.  Would you condemn me for reading some of Ashida Kim's books as a teenager?  (I did.  I really did!)
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: lakerssportsfan on January 27, 2010, 10:02:10 PM
I've been a bit suspicious of Todd and the International Close-Combat Instructor’s Association (ICCIA), which he started and runs.

You see a lot of claims of various certifications he has as this or that master instructor award from the ICCIA. The problem is that these awards and certification come from an organization that he founded and runs. He trumpets them quite a bit, so I have to wonder about the validity of them. Its like someone starts his own style of martial arts and awards himself a 10th degree black belt. So to me it seems that he overplays them.

I know people who know Todd and he was indeed certified by the late Charles Nelson in NY. He did visit the late Col Rex Applegate. He also worked as a bouncer in New Zealand.

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on January 28, 2010, 12:24:08 AM


  I have been looking into this for years. Now that Tank Todd has dropped all his association to Jim Webb and all that nonsense I do not have any problem with him or anything he is doing. He is writing to his audience, just like we all write to our audiences, not a big deal. He is not making any military claims other than being instructed by some guys when they were old, not a big deal.

  Todd is a Kiwi, Kiwis are strange birds. They all talk funny and their winter is our summer. They claim a very small corner of the earth and few outsiders know much of what goes on there. They believe the All Blacks are greatest sports team in the world when most Americans have never even heard of them. When I checked into this a few years ago the single issue I found with Tank Todd was his connection to Jim Webb who it turns out had lied about his service record for so long he had everyone believing it. Its no wonder that someone like Tank Todd who has no access to military records would be taken in by a Army Officer as everyone was. Jim Webb was even wearing fake stuff on a military base fooling Active Military from the stories now coming out about him.

Readers also need to understand their relationship was initiated prior to the Internet so Tank Todd would have not had access to the people he has access to now to sort all this mess out. Its a tough deal to find out someone you consider a friend is a fraud. Todd has now seen the light, has purged as many references to Webb as he can off hs bio and web pages and in my opinion he handled this entire situation as Jai Dee (cool hearted, calm and wise) as was possible.

  If people want to continue to bitch about Webb I dont have any issue with that but unless somebody has a specific issue with Todd outside of his already disconnected relationship to Webb this all reads like a bunch of internet police nonsense.


  I made my apologies to Tank Todd, as far as I'm concerned he is good to go.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 28, 2010, 10:06:30 AM
quote Lakersportsfan
"I know people who know Todd and he was indeed certified by the late Charles Nelson in NY. He did visit the late Col Rex Applegate. He also worked as a bouncer in New Zealand."

Todd took some training with Mr Nelson ?
True
Todd was certified by Mr Nelson as an Instructor ?
FALSE

Todd has a certificate,NOT given to him by Mr Nelson and not an original certificate from Nelson with Todd's name on it.
It is SOMEONE ELSES certificate with Todd's name NOW on it.
Todd knows who the original certificate belonges/Belonged to.

When you see the COPY of the Certificate with Todd's name on it Now you know it is BS.

Hock
On the Professional Soldiers Forum you will also find the post in which they sent Mr Webb a letter to clarify their findings of his NOT EVER being in Ranger school and His NOT having EVER been to  the SF Q course,as well as never being US Army Qualified as HALO or SCUBA.

You will find Mr Lupiak's (Retired US Army Special Forces CSM and a Member of the Son Tay Raiders Rescue Team) name as one on the letter.


I like the Todd had no internet access and was fooled bit,lol.
He might not have had internet access but he knew what he was looking for.
How do you think he found Larry Jordan to get a "Dirty Dozen " Certificate from a Special Forces Green Beret ?
How do you think he just happened to find Mr Webb and get a Special Forces Instructor Trainer Certificate ?
Coincidence and trickery,misled and ripped off ?
NO

Do you think Todd should have wondered when he showed up for Instruction and Certification that he was the ONLY ONE and a CIVILIAN to Boot.
WHY would a CIVILIAN THINK They could and or should get qualified as a SPECIAL FORCES Instructor Trainer ?
The intent was to get the Paper and have it said what it says.

That piece of BS was a BIG Door opener.

See I do not have to kiss anyones butt in hopes that they allow me to one day get to attend their little group in NZ and get a BS piece of paper.

Hey BS sells and that is a BIG Fact with all these Fakes.
They have the gift of gab and the BS  fake paper trail with BS titles that mean NOTHING.
Webbs certificate means NOTHING outside of WEBBS group of compliant fakes.

Again :
What makes Mr Todd the REAL DEAL ?
Documents and dojo training ?
Bouncing,yeah that is the qualifier,like being an Israeli Soldier qualifies one to be an expert in Krav Maga,lol.
(Documents he knows and KNEW to be BS,like the Webb Certificate and the Nelson Certificate)
Does that make one a Real Deal to contract to the Military and Police ?





Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 28, 2010, 12:05:55 PM
quote Hock
"What a shock to all these guys about Webb.
It goes back to the old Nixon/Watergate question. "When did they know it?"

No one in Special Forces cared about Webb ,that is the way it is,they are not in the business of exposing people making claims of being SF or Ranger until those people cross the line.

Webb crossed the line when he ripped off and or tried to extort money from family members of POW/MIA and people asked to look into him.
Until Webb tried to rip families off he was seen in good light for the work he was doing with POW/MIA's in Vietnam.

If we look at Mr Janich's post the people in his unit looked at Webb's record book and saw Major issues back then,so people knew.

I am sure that Larry Jordan knew that Webb was a fake,as Larry had been around the Rangers and SF for a LONG time.

Many knew ,no one speaks as this is how people make their living,no one wants to take money and food from people's mouths unless they cross a line.

...
In regards to that Extreme CQB.
I have it and the MAJORITY of it is a load of Crap.

Old PT Instructors telling us how to see body misalignments and assess that for fitness ability ?
What has that stuff got to do with CQB ?

Todd showing the use of a knife into the crook of the arm/elbow against a choke from the rear to get free ?
Why?
If I have a Blade out and available why cut the arm to get free ?
Take an ice pick grip and drive the blade into the thigh,groin,bladder,that will not just get you free of the hold it will,most likely, take the opponent out of the fight.

Webb's knife work on that video is a head shaking as you watch it joke.
He tells you that before you attempt to eliminate the enemy/sentry make sure you take the time to lower your aura,because your aura can be felt and or seen.
What a load .
His work is pure garbage and seems made up on the spot.
...
Anyone read the qualifications for Todd's Close Combat Association ?
http://www.closecombatinstructors.com/prerequisite-military-close-combat.htm

I would question how many of those people on the Members list have REAL/Actual/LEGIT CERTIFIED Training as MILITARY Close Combat Instructors.
Most have civilian training and then been invited to show their materials and that some how allows them to by pass the requirements ,"which will be verified",lol.
Unbelievable.
What a load .

If they Never Served in any military the ODDS Are they DO NOT Have Legit Paper work.
(How and why would the military take time to qualify civilians when it needs the spaces to qualify Military Instructors?)
Even many of those who served show only civilian qualifications.

It is all a con a joke.
Few are really what they portray,but the stupid masses will sign on.

Like people living on 30,000 dollars a year ,with nothing in the bank or anything to their name starting a millionaires club and Vetting to get REAL Millionaires.
Why would REAL Millionaires Join ?
To have their names on a list with others who MAYBE Legit and to have an Opportunity to network with Other Real Millionaires ?
What do the Poor butt people who started it get ?
Recognition as being in the same circles as the legit Millionaires,or ,as being seen as Possible Millionaires themselves.

The Magic of Perception.

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 28, 2010, 04:32:01 PM
Mick,
You can probably get James Webb to come to Britain,as he is not traveling to NZ anymore, because he has been discredited as being a fake,lol,and in a weekend get everyone interested to be qualified in his Special Forces Instructor Trainer certification.

They would have to let you join with that right ?
(even though Webb is an outcast)

As thta Certificate is all that many of them have including the Founder.
LOL

Heck you don't even have to have been in the Military,LOL.

when you get to the questions on what unit you were with,who trained you,who the head of the training unit was,what units you taught,just do like the rest and skip those questions.
That certificate is the golden key.

Then guys that served in the Military and then worked as contractors could then be recognized in the WORLD as the REAL DEAL,LOL.

What a bunch of BS

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: lakerssportsfan on January 28, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
quote Lakersportsfan
"I know people who know Todd and he was indeed certified by the late Charles Nelson in NY. He did visit the late Col Rex Applegate. He also worked as a bouncer in New Zealand."

Todd took some training with Mr Nelson ?
True
Todd was certified by Mr Nelson as an Instructor ?
FALSE

Todd has a certificate,NOT given to him by Mr Nelson and not an original certificate from Nelson with Todd's name on it.
It is SOMEONE ELSES certificate with Todd's name NOW on it.
Todd knows who the original certificate belonges/Belonged to.

When you see the COPY of the Certificate with Todd's name on it Now you know it is BS.

Jim,

I have a friend who is retired from the NYPD who studied with Nelson a long time.  Todd was indeed certified by Nelson to instruct in his system.

You are thinking of some Marine Corp certificate of Nelson's that someone else gave Todd that Todd claimed he was given by Nelson himself.

There's been a lot of claims and arguments over Todd.  He has a habit of embelishing.  But I do know that he travelled to train with Nelson for a week at a time on several occasions and was indeed certified to teach the Nelson system.

Jim, you are right in that tape Extreem CQB from Paladin was extremely bad in the techniques covered.



Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Mick Coup on January 29, 2010, 03:33:22 AM
A friend of mine with a very credible and highly valid military background is an instructor within Geoff Todd's organisation, and I trust his favourable opinion of Geoff's material.

My only issue is with those requirements, not because I want membership but because they are nonsense to be honest!

Creating a 'qualifcation' and then insisting that everyone has it?  Making a big deal to point out that martial arts and combat sports qualifications are not recognised - regardless that the material is identical, and that yet again someone is trying to establish 'military combatives' as a seperate and distinct 'style/system' that has a special following of tightly-controlled 'enligtened' types?

All this argument over 'lineage' cracks me up - everyone desperate to prove that they do 'real combatives' and that others are fakes...what does it matter?  Unless you are a historian or researcher, isn't it all about the now and next?  

I believe there is a huge case of 'the older it gets, the better it was' when it comes to this material.  Am I the only person not impressed by the footage of Fairbairn and Applegate in action, complete with 'Green Hornet' masks?  Objectively - two supposed 'titans' of the genre don't seem to possess, or display at least, any particular skill in the very basic methods they are attempting to showcase?

Now since I have no 'lineage' tracing my training back through Nelson, Pilkington, Styers et al, I suppose I can't teach this precious 'combatives' stuff as it just isn't the genuine article - whatever this actually is...someone is in for a big awakening should they put that point to me in person...

Combatives is an adjective, not a fucking noun!

Mick
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 29, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
Lakerssportsfan.
Believe who and what you want.

I know the truth and have told it as I know it as I know who gave Todd the Certificate and I know whom the ORIGINAL Certificate (that was copied) Came from,and it was not Mr Nelson.

As Mick Coup Says who cares about Correct Lineage .
(as there is none needed in Non Traditional Self Defense teachings)
The test is does it REALLY Work and allow the practioner the ability to survive a Real Encounter,(this out weighs lineage).

My point is that a statement was made that Todd is the Real Deal and I asked How and what makes him the Real Deal.
I pointed out that it is TODD'S Claim to lineage that MANY say makes him legit.
I pointed out that if that is the case then if the Webb Certificate is BS,(which it is) and the Neslon Certificate is REALLY someone elses,(which it is) then what is left to qualify him?
Years of Training?

Is it claimed lineage and titles from bogus  men and fake certificates ?
Is it from Real Training  as a member of the Police or Military ?
Is it from being a doorman/bouncer ?
WHAT is it ?

If people say he is the Real Deal what is the method used  to measure this and claim it .
(again like the what is a Warrior thread)

You have people on here like:
Hock ,Nick Hughes,Joe Hubbard,Mick Coup,Brian S,White Wolf and many ,many more (that I/we all do not know their backgrounds ) who are the REAL DEAL and have put it on the line in the Military,As Contractors,as Police Officers with combinations of these QUALIFIERS and or all of these Qualifiers.
They have trained and tested and come up with Training that works based on REAL WORLD Testing and ASSESSMENT.

Some one Please tell me what makes Todd the REAL DEAL to so many,to many who even exceed this guy in Real World experience and Martial Art/Self Defense training,or as compared to the qualifications of the men listed above plus the many ,many others not listed ?

Even if all the certificates were legit ,does a collection of certificates with no real world experiences make one a REAL DEAL ?

Please let's get real on our hero worship.
Real Deals are Doers not Viewers
Real Deals have Experiences over Theory.
Real Deals have Experience over lineage as their selling point.
Sorry Todd does not  fit those qualifiers.(to me anyway)
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: lakerssportsfan on January 29, 2010, 07:58:42 PM
Lakerssportsfan.
Believe who and what you want.

I know the truth and have told it as I know it as I know who gave Todd the Certificate and I know whom the ORIGINAL Certificate (that was copied) Came from,and it was not Mr Nelson.

Actually you don't know.  You can ask Ralph G if Todd is certified to teach the Nelson System.  He knows him from training there.

My friend had trained with Nelson longer and knows Todd to be certified by him.

How many times did you train with Nelson, Jim?

Todd may exagerate some things, but being certified by Nelson is not one of them.

Quote
As Mick Coup Says who cares about Correct Lineage .

Obviously you do because you are making a big deal about it.

Quote
My point is that a statement was made that Todd is the Real Deal and I asked How and what makes him the Real Deal.

No, you made claims about him not being certified by Nelson, something that I know not to be the case.

Todd is a perfect example of something that is wrong in the martial arts and self defense world.  He is a competant teacher and has a decent background but because he has a tendency to exaggerate and overplay some things, he becomes known for his exagerations rather than his actual skills and background.

A perfect example of this is the fact that he trumpets that he is ranked as a master instructor by the internationl close combat instructors whatever, which is an organization that he founded and runs.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 30, 2010, 07:33:36 PM
Lakerssportsfan
Actually I do know.
You are the one who is mistaken.

Why would you ask me to ask Ralph G about Todd ?
Why would you think I would know him ?

Is Ralph your friend ?
or
Someone else?
As the following is confusing.
Did your friend train with Nelson longer than Ralph ?

quote Lakerssportsfan:
"You can ask Ralph G if Todd is certified to teach the Nelson System.  He knows him from training there.
My friend had trained with Nelson longer and knows Todd to be certified by him"

If you knew Ralph you would already Know the answers.

If I may suggest:
You contact Ralph,ask him to tell you the True story.
Ask him:
Who the Certificate belonged to ?
Did Mr Nelson give the certificate or some one else ?
How many times Todd Actually Trained with Nelson ?
Ralph is THE guy to ask .

If Ralph is not your friend are your friends initials PG ?
If so he knows the TRUE Story VERY well,and Knows the person who gave Todd the certificate VERY VERY WELL.
He might not be as likely to tell the Real story though.

Hey but Todd says he was certified as an Instructor under Mr Nelson on the First day he arrived at the school,right ? lol.
He also says he was certified when he last visited Mr Nelson in Arkansas.
He was certified twice right?
So he has two certifcates on display then?

I wonder why on his site Todd goes into explaining the following:
Charlie hardly gave out certificates,but would when asked.
The certificates were pre signed
The numbers on the certificates were 1 and 2.

I have seen other paperwork from Mr Nelson and they show a written in student Name,a date and a written in signature.
Hey but I guess if,as Mr Todd states on his site, that "Charlie hardly gave out certificates,but would when asked",then perhaps he didn't care about signing them as he did other certificates.

I never had opportunity to train with Mr Nelson,I wish I had.
My fathers partner did and showed my father, my brother and I some stuff ,but that is not Mr Nelson and that is about 44 years ago.

How many times have you trained with Mr Nelson  Lakerssportsfan ?

Again,my point is that Todd is said to be the REAL DEAL.
Real Deals are more than Paper certificates of people they trained with.
They are men /women of experience in the Real World,not in the world of theory.

So if Todd is the REAL DEAL Based on Certificates ,what if they are BS ?
Again Webb's certificate is BS and that was the door opener for Todd.

Imagine Todd was certified under Webb in a Day, or two at most.
(to certify as a Special Forces Instructor Trainer)
He was certified under Jordan in a day
He was certified as an Instructor under Nelson in a Day.
Unbelievable.
Yep not a guy looking for certificates,but looking to REALLY learn an art or style,LOL.




Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on January 30, 2010, 09:21:12 PM
Todd must have put more stock in teh cert Webb gave him than anything else hes got, If he truly had all the teaching certs form Nelson and Applegate, then he wouldnt need anything else right? The fact that he went out and got certified by his buddy in the "dirty dozen" proves that he felt that his "linage" was weak ass shit no? and hiding behind the international combat instructors association is a joke if thats an org that he set up him self.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Michael Janich on January 30, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
To all:

Sorry for the slow response. I was out for an entire week at SHOT and immediately turned around to do the Marine West trade show at Camp Pendleton. I'm finally back home and catching up...

First, Hock, thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts and insights on your forum. I appreciate the chance to help clear the air.

Out of respect for you as our host, let me answer your questions first:

With regard to the future of DVDs as a medium, I think they will remain valid until the quality of downloads--and the ability to archive downloaded video material--matches the quality of the DVD format. I also think that will come with the integration of computers and TV. Watching a tiny YouTube window on your computer and trying to follow/emulate the technique doesn't work. Once it's on the big screen and easy to see, I believe things will change. As for piracy, it will always be a problem--regardless of format.

As for Jim Webb not being SF, he never attended the Qualification or "Q" course. As such, he was only entitled to wear a beret while he was attached to first group. Once he left that unit, he no longer had that privilege.

To be very honest, I don't really feel inclined to spend lots of time answering every question or accusation that's been presented here. Please understand that I am not being disrespectful to the forum or its members; I just don’t feel it’s necessary to argue about every minute detail of Jim Webb’s status as a scammer. As I recall, his official DOD photo included a Ranger tab. If it has been proven that he never attended Ranger school either, then he lied about that too. If you’d like to add it to the list and keep track of everything he’s lied about, you have more free time than I do.

I would like clarify what I meant by my statement that Geoff Todd is the “real deal.” By that, I mean that he is a talented practitioner and instructor of combatives and consistently produces students with valid, practical skills. After training with him and his students at his school, I have great respect for him and what he does. Geoff’s relationship with Jim Webb did open some doors for him (that’s how Geoff met Larry Jordan); however, Webb had nothing to do with Geoff’s study with Charles Nelson, Col. Applegate, or many of the other instructors with whom he’s worked. He did that on his own. During my association with Col. Applegate, he spoke highly of both Geoff and Larry. He also took pride in his title as patriarch of the ICCIA. Conversely, he considered Jim Webb an assclown (in Webb’s first Panther series, he stated that Col. Applegate was already dead—years before he actually passed away).

I know that the lineage of Charles Nelson’s system is a topic of controversy and heated discussion. I don’t know enough about that situation to comment, nor do I have a vested interest in getting involved. I’ll say only that I know that Geoff visited Nelson numerous times to study with him and that Nelson’s teachings influenced Todd heavily.

Again, I respect Geoff based on having trained with him and his students and having seen him behave honorably and professionally during the time I’ve known him. If you feel differently, hop on a plane, go to his school, and roll with him and his guys.

Again, thanks for the opportunity to share my side. Thanks also for your patience while I was on the road.

Stay safe,

Mike
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 30, 2010, 11:18:21 PM
Mr Janich,
Thank you for your response.
Thanks for your explanation of the term "Real Deal" as used for Mr Todd.
I appreciate that your use of the term refers to Mr Todd as a Good Instructor with Good students,but I still disagree and see the terms use from a different perspective.
To me I would see people like you and Larry Jordan as more "Real Deal' people as you have military and other experiences to go along with training and teaching.
In My opinion a "Real Deal" is more than an Instructor with Training no matter how good.
Again my opinion.
Thanks for your honest answers in Regard to Mr Webb and Mr Todd.
Much Appreciated and Much Success.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Michael Janich on January 31, 2010, 10:09:48 AM
Dear Jim:

Thanks for your understanding. Combatives and personal defense have a broad perspective of both practice and application. So does the English language. That's why a clear explanation--and an open-minded listener--tend to go a long way.

Although I agree that combat experience adds a tremendous perspective and realistic base to the skills of those who have survived it, I have also seen instructors who have survived incidents by pure luck and gone on to build entire systems of technique on their experience. I feel that solid, well-practiced skill sets--backed by equally solid ethics and professionalism--are equally, if not more important.

Stay safe,

Mike
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on January 31, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
Mr Janich thank you for the follow up response.
Much Success to you.

If I may make a point on a statement on the first reply,to clarify a point to the others reading this as it pertains to the topic of this thread,Mr Webb.

After reading Mr Janich post again this morning I noticed a point that I read/skimmed over the first time and I would like to remark on.

Quote Mr Janich:
"As for Jim Webb not being SF, he never attended the Qualification or "Q" course. As such, he was only entitled to wear a beret while he was attached to first group. Once he left that unit, he no longer had that privilege."

I see what Mr Janich is saying as to how Mr Webb claimed to be a "GREEN BERET".
Up to the early to mid 80's people in units ATTACHED in SUPPORT of Special Forces/Green Berets were allowed to wear a Green Beret,but could not wear a FULL, FLASH(meaning they were SF Qualified).
They were supposed to wear a Green Beret with a bar/candy stripe under the Unit Insignia,or in Mr Webb's Case under his WO rank.
Some never wore the Bar/candy stripe.

Mr Webb used a play on words.
(Like Wagner does).
Mr Webb claims to have been a "Green Beret",which I guess he was in a play on words kind of  way,as he was allowed to wear the Beret as his role in an SF Support unit,Mr Webb just NEVER clarifies that he was NEVER Qualified in Special Forces to be a Full Flash Green Beret.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: redcap on February 09, 2010, 09:30:44 PM
I remember the first ads in our local martial arts magazines for 'Geoff 'Tank' Todd' and his certified Master Chief Instructor of Special Forces Close Quarter Combatives line. I got tired just reading it so I never went. I did find out though that Mr Todd has never served a day in his life in any military force as a Master Chief Instructor of Special Forces Close Quarter Combatives. But then he has never claimed to. I was going to say 'never wore a uniform' but that isn't quite accurate, is it?' Wording is very important to perception as someone has already said.

One can well imagine the back-peddling and web site hyper-shredding performed as Webb was outed. We have some here in Australia that still claim connections to him and that other W, Wagner. I do note the Krav krowd have quietened down lately.

I just found it amusing that he is so keen to align himself with former military men and to train with them etc yet has never joined up. Why? He is, from all reports from people I respect, fit, skilled and very likeable and friendly. I was amused by the Harry Baldock angle too, claiming 80 years of teaching self defence in NZ, the oldest school in the known universe or whatever. Like JimH said, HB was known for teaching wrestling, physical culture and the like. I believe Todd did do a fair bit of bouncing in Dunedin. Not a large city but there are some tough lads down there. I did some bouncing too so I guess that's why I'm not as impressed as I should be. Never had to kill a drunk with my bare hands though, but at least I knew how. Not sure what that has to do with unarmed combat (sorry... combatives) but I'm searching for common ground here.
Redcap
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Brian S on February 10, 2010, 05:19:32 PM
Wht's wrong with CMCISFCQC?

I think it rolls off the tongue nicely.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on February 10, 2010, 06:44:04 PM
Wht's wrong with CMCISFCQC?

I think it rolls off the tongue nicely.

lol
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: DWW on March 23, 2010, 05:48:42 PM
A company was selling all of these videos at:
http://www.iol.ie/~needful/videos.htm

Green Beret:Close Quarter Fighting Vol 1      Webb & Janich                     �34.99
Green Beret:Close Quarter Fighting Vol 2      Webb & Janich                �34.99
Green Beret:Sentry Neutralization               Webb & Janich                 �34.99
Green Beret:Workout                                Webb & Janich                  �34.99
Green Beret:Interview With Jim Webb          Webb & Janich                �34.99
Green Beret:Combat Vol 1                          Webb & Janich                �34.99
Green Beret:Combat Vol 2                          Webb & Janich                �34.99
Green Beret:Combat Vol 3                          Webb & Janich                �34.99
Green Beret:Combat Vol 4                          Webb & Janich                �34.99
                                                                                                  Set �299.99

I just don't remember that many Webb/Janich films? I don't think so. I think the company has wrongly listed Janich with Webb too many times there. I am not sure. Don't anyone quote me.

Hock
 
              
   
                   I was curious about this since I'm a big fan of Janich's work,so I checked with Mr. Janich and He states that He only worked on the "Knife Fighting Combat Techniques" series which consisted of just 4 volumes.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on March 07, 2011, 10:21:40 AM
This is last weekend in March from James Webb....


Mr. Hochheim,
 
I was informed you posted some information on me per your web site.  I reviewed it and it is inaccurate and has dis-information.  I am a Vietnam Veteran.  I was never assigned to SOG or any Special Forces unit in Thailand.  I worked the POW/MIA Issue for fourteen years.  I held the positions of investigative team commander, recovery element commander, special teams commander, ATFP officer, acting detachment commander, underwater team commander, troop commander, etc etc. 
 
I did make an interview DVD to explain what it was like working on the ground for the POW/MIA Issue.  I made a total of 60 DVD's and sold a few but gave the rest away for free to various associations and organizations.  I did not make any more.  I wrote a draft for a book on the issue but have yet to publish it.  I wrote articles on the Issue for a Veterans Magazine for free.  I wrote a booklet on the history of the POW/MIA Issue for those who may not be familiar with it and gave this away for free also.  I was invited to speak at a Families convention in Washington DC.  A family member sent me $3,000 to pay for my airplane ticket and such.  I was planning on attending but several days prior to my departure I was ill and hospitalized.  I sent my apologies and regrets to the Families.  I also returned to the family member the $3,000.  I never made any promise for money would investigate any family members case. 
 
I never tried to, as you say on your site, fleece or rip off anyone concerning the POW/MIA Issue.  The Issue is very important to me and I gave my all working it.  The fourteen years I worked the Issue was the most important and fullfilling of my life.
 
James Webb
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Samuel Browning on March 07, 2011, 10:35:43 AM
Gee, I wonder what he claimed his involvement with the special forces to be when he did his interview for his "green beret" video series.

At the very least titling his video "Green Beret" was misleading if he never completed the Special Forces Course and was never tabbed.

He is also avoiding questions by not coming here to post.

What a maroon!
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on March 07, 2011, 10:43:07 AM
Yes, there are many issues to be covered.

Hock
And Jim Webb - "I" myself did not post these claims and "I myself did not say" on "my site" any these claims. I do not have this information. Others posting here do. Just read these pages. I have no ideas about these things. It is  talk forum where people talk and if you read this? I haven't talked. But it would be impressive for you to join up here and confront the slew of inconsistencies you have brought upon yourself through the years. 
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on March 07, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
 I wonder why Mr Webb did not mention his Special Forces Claims and his Special Forces Combatives Course ?
if you read the forum once to find the errors in the postings I assume you will read it again ,if so :

Mr Webb ,you claim to have never been in SOG,but were you a Tabbed member of Special Forces?
Did you attend and complete the SFQC and get awarded a Green Beret ?
Did you ever attend and graduate US Army Ranger School?

Funny all you people make claims and then use word games around the truth.
"I was never in SOG",lol and you were never a Ranger and Never a Green Beret.

Was your SF Combat Course authorized by the US ARMY,and was it approved for SF Use
throughout the Army SF Community ?
Or was it a course created at a Command you were stationed with and you thought it was a cool way to use a title you never earned to make money selling it to civilians ?

Mr Webb where does your knife combatives come from ?
Does not the majority of it come from Mr Janich ?

Why are you no longer listed on Mr Geoff "Tank" todd's site ?
Did you tell Mr Todd when he came to become an instructor in your SF combat course ,that the Course was made up and had no credibility in giving him rank in any real Special Forces H2H course.
He used that course of yours to base a lot of his claims upon.
Imagine finding out the course was total BS outside of your little group.

Mr Webb if all you had done was take a trip paid for by an MIA family member,I imagine that one incident would have been easily explained and not required the Special Forces members of the MIA recovery to launch an investigation into MULTIPLE CLAIMS and then post warnings for family members not to be involved with you.
Isn't that why you were fired from the POW recovery in 2003 ?

There are people who serve and served in SF who worked on MIA recovery with you who have said you made constant claim of being a member of SF and serving in Vietnam and a member of SOG,they are the first to lead an investigation into his military claims,then came the rip off of family members of MIA.
 
From POW network:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19672&page=2
 
http://powwarrior.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/powmia-insider-another-attempt-to-fleece-the-issue/
 
This guy later pulled a fast one at the Alliance Meetings last year, taking some money from Family Members to
 appear as a guest speaker at the meetings and then backed out 48 hours before, never returning the money - over $2500....
[signed  - a family member]
 
 
Is everyone lying about a one off mistake as you claim Mr Webb ?
I kind of doubt it.
 
Jim H

As a contractor now ,supposedly,do you claim Ranger ,Special Forces,Scuba,FreeFall and all the other BS schools you never attended on your Resume to them ?
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on March 08, 2011, 11:30:52 AM
Mr Webb
What unit  were you assigned to when you won your Bronze Star in Vietnam ?
What month and year ?
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: james webb on April 04, 2011, 08:26:10 PM
 I was informed you posted some information on me per your web site.  I reviewed it and it is inaccurate and has dis-information.  I am a Vietnam Veteran.  I was never assigned to SOG or any Special Forces unit in Thailand.  I worked the POW/MIA Issue for fourteen years.  I held the positions of investigative team commander, recovery element commander, special teams commander, ATFP officer, acting detachment commander, underwater team commander, troop commander, etc etc. 
 
I did make an interview DVD to explain what it was like working on the ground for the POW/MIA Issue.  I made a total of 60 DVD's and sold a few but gave the rest away for free to various associations and organizations.  I did not make any more.  I wrote a draft for a book on the issue but have yet to publish it.  I wrote articles on the Issue for a Veterans Magazine for free.  I wrote a booklet on the history of the POW/MIA Issue for those who may not be familiar with it and gave this away for free also.  I was invited to speak at a Families convention in Washington DC.  A family member sent me $3,000 to pay for my airplane ticket and such.  I was planning on attending but several days prior to my departure I was ill and hospitalized.  I sent my apologies and regrets.  I also returned to the family member the $3,000.  I never made any promise for money would investigate any family members case. 
 
I never tried to, as you say on your site, fleece or rip off anyone concerning the POW/MIA Issue.  The Issue is very important to me and I gave my all working it.  The fourteen years I worked the Issue was the most important and fullfilling of my life.
 
James Webb

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on April 05, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
MR Webb,
If this is Mr Webb at all.

Why are you posting the same generic resume type  post,as Hock has already posted and as you have sent to POWNET. ?

Have you posted this Generic BS on the Quiet Professional site ,where people actually have worked with you and around you ,and where they make the same claims as written here ?

Have you reembursed the family who posted on quiet professionals that they sent you the money and you never showed up at the event ?
NO,you have not,(according to the Family member who sent you the money,as posted on the Quiet Professional site).
I have listed the site above in this thread so read it.

If it was a one off mistake ,then why did the people who looked into it not just accept all your years of hard work ,say it was a mistake to the family,allow you to reemburese them and let you stay on ?
Why were you fired by those looking into the claims in 2003 ?

You say:
"I was never assigned to SOG or an SF Unit while in Thailand"
Well Sir,were you ever assigned to SOG or an SF Unit,(as an SF Qualified Operator),in Vietnam or any time,other in an Intelligence slot assigned IN SUPPORT of an SF Unit,(which DOES NOT make one SF)

When you had the photo's taken of you wearing the Green Beret,which was allowed for NON SF members assigned in SUPPORT of Special Forces at the time,I noticed that in your picture you wore a FULL Flash,which was NOT authorized.At the time a Green Beret was allowed but with a CANDY STRIPE BAR with the Groups flash colors.
So that was a BS picture wasn't it,for what end,to lie and mislead the public,not the military,as you could not use that as an official photo in the military.

Have you lied about your past and your Army schooling ?
Yes

Have you ripped off people who paid money to train with a man who claimed to be SF,a Ranger and who claimed to have used Sentry removal tactics in Vietnam ?
Yes

I have seen you video at the Tank Todd event,and it is a JOKE beyond belief.
Think of the colors of the rainbow BS before you move to remove a sentry as he will feel your Aura,lol. what crap.

Were you ever qualified as a Green Beret,with COMPLETION of the SFQC ?
NO
Were you Ever Qualified as a US Army Ranger ?
NO

You used misleading Military Biographical information to take money from people.
That is ripping people off and fleecing them.
You were fired for taking money from families during you work with Remains recovery,so there was some cause for action.

If you have a complaint about the information,then perhaps you should post your little generic piece on sites where the people will surely tell you where to go.

When typing to the Quiet Professionals site,try lowering your Aura by thinking of pretty colors when you type it.LOL.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on April 05, 2011, 03:31:28 PM
Mr Webb,did you approve the title of this series claiming yourself to be a Green Beret ?
http://www.amazon.com/Special-Forces-Combatives-Workout-Starring/dp/B003WL9RJ4
(you'll probably say it was put on the box cover with out your knowledge,everyone when caught out says that,lol)

Did you approve the caption under the picture,(below), with your name your name claiming you as a Green Beret Retired ?
http://www.cardioselfdefense.net/gallery_movie
(again some one else probably wrote that without your knowledge,as always,lol)

Seems to me that people paid to see techniques of a Green Beret and they got a Military Intelligence person,posing as a Green Beret.That to me is ripping people off.
Same as Wagner,same as Pizzo,same as Bob Spour,same as the others who claim to be ,more than what they are,and claiming to be what they never were.
Fake BS artists.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on April 07, 2011, 10:43:04 AM
Now I am talking to ask some questions.

I am thinking we have already run Webb off.
The POWNetwork would like to hear the family Webb says he paid back.

For decades I have always thought that Webb was a Green Beret. Clever wording? Especially from the early Paladin videos. The kind of wording that doesn't work or trick people with sense these modern times.

Was Tank Todd fooled by Webb and all this in New Zealand? Was Blaise Loong fooled by this too? Loong had successfully passed himself off as some kind of SF operative or connected operative in the late 1990s, early 2000s - thanks to Webb.

I visited a school In Atlanta, GA in about 2002 and I recall a flier hanging up that Blaise Loong was coming soon to teach Green Beret Knife Fighting. Photo and flier presented him as a Green Beret. The school was excited that this military operative Green Beret was coming. I didn't know much about him then but I knew enough (from Inosanto people) that he damn sure was NOT a Green Beret. (Loong's next "gig" was as a Viking, having learned secret Viking methods from inside the Nordic Circle.)

http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,694.0.html
http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,3735.0.html

Hock

 
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on February 26, 2012, 01:56:46 PM
A bit of interesting news from an eyewitness in Australia who went to a New Zealand Tank Todd seminar. Todd, an unlikely sort, due to his lifelong, physical condition, and his total history right there in new Zealand, was teaching knife to the group and told people...

"...when I was in the underground knife fighting circuit in Asia, I stabbed a guy in the stomach and his muscles contracted. I couldn't pull the knife out, so I kneed the knife handle deeper into this stomach, then pulled it out and slashed him..."

The eye-witness heard this and immediately left the seminar. The witness said," It is amazing how many lies you can tell that never 'get out'when you live in a small place."

 
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on February 26, 2012, 09:49:32 PM
LOL,
What does anyone expect from this guy,Todd, but more fabricated BS.
Does he tell these same stories when supposedly training the Police and Military ?
BS certificates,BS life stories


Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Benjamin Liu on February 27, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
Wouldn't instructors who claim to have been in death matches be admitting to multiple murders?  Of course, the matches would have to be real for that to be the case.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Keith Miller on February 27, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
It's only murder if it's non mutual combat. If both parties agree to fight to the death, it's only Assisted Suicide.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Canuk on February 27, 2012, 07:21:10 PM
You could form reasonable grounds to conduct an investigation any time someone shoots their mouth off about gutting someone in front of X amount of witnesses> If he does teach Mil and Police they would want to be hands clean and be seen to be hands clean.

Likely BS anyway
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Bryan on September 26, 2012, 06:18:50 PM
So what has become of James Webb and or his nutcase son Tony? I see Blaise Loong has tried to distance himself from Webb, he was about the last hold out. It seems the entire house of cards came tumbling down. Tank Todd has dropped all references to Webb that I was aware of. There is still a entire squad of fake CQB instructors in Australasia associated with this the last I heard.

While I was in Asia I took various classes and seminars for Martial Arts. It was in Thailand where I came across James Webb and his son Tony. I was around back when all his training seminars were happening but never attended any of them. The seminars were thousands and thousands of dollars and even appeared to have investors who probably ended up ripped off too. I did hear back from sources about the classes and even exchanged emails with Tank Todd back then. Webb was well known around Bangkok and JUSMAGTHAI where he had been a warrant officer. This whole mess is just a shame but some people cannot help themselves, they get a pat on the back for something small and then go for gold medals and green berets telling whoppers and circle jerking credentials with other like minded "Warriors" ha ha.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on November 02, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
James Webb asked me to print this...

I am James Webb, and am responding to several postings on your web site about me.  I will address to the issues posted.
 
I spent over 24 years in the US Army.  I served in Vietnam in 1972 and 1973.  I retired with the rank of Chief Warrant Officer.
 
I was assigned to the First Special Forces Group (SFG) in 1984 when it was reactivated at Fort Lewis, WA.  I was assigned initially as the chief of the interrogation shop.  Since I was one of the first officers to sign in with  Group I was tasked with a myriad of missions and assignments.  I was sent to Camp McKall, Fort Bragg, NC and attended the SERE instructors course.  Upon my return to Group I was made the Group SERE instructor and operated several SERE courses for Group personnel and our sister National Guard SF Group.  I was tasked by the commander to develop, organize and implement a H2H combative course to be taught to Group personnel.  I did invite several superb high ranking Martial Artists to instruct and I did incorporate these styles into the course.  My time at Group I was TDY, training or on operations over sixty per cent of my time there.  I never attended the SFQC but I put in my paperwork to attend so much that the commander finally told me to stop.  His rationale was that I was busy working for Group on numerous tasks, missions and operations that they could not spare me.  I really tried.  I never wore the SF tab on any of my uniforms.  While at Group I attended and received my Air Assault wings and Thai and Korean Airborne wings.  I also received several medals and commendations.  The commander had a saying, "we always work the good ones the hardest".  In the Army I always volunteered and pushed for every hard school and training available.  I love my country and wanted to be the best soldier I could be.
 
Mr. Joe Jennings heard about me teaching a H2H combative course at Group.  His offer to me was to make a series of training tapes for his company "Panther Productions".  I discussed this with the commander and he gave me the go ahead.  Mr. Jennings was a pioneer in the development of training tapes in Martial Arts.  I flew to California and shot the tapes.  When he advertised them he called the series Special Forces Combatives.  He said I was teaching H2H combatives to an SFG and this was the course.  In retrospect I should have made them called Military Combatives or just Combatives.
 
I was never assigned to SOG in Vietnam or the 43rd Company in Thailand.  I never said I was.  During one interview a reporter kept asking me about SOG operations in SEA.  I am a history buff of Vietnam and the war in SEA from our point and from the communists point of view.  I provided him a history of SOG.  I have learned to totally distrust reporters for they are not after the truth but themselves.
 
After my three years at Group I went to DLI, Monterey, CA for Korean language school and subsequent assignment to Korea to work security for the 1988 Seoul Olympics.  I was with a small unit called Special Branch out of the J-3.  It was here I worked with the Korean CT unit, 707 SF Bde.  I first met their key personnel when I was working with them when I was assigned to the First SFG.  I did work with them in developing a combative course they called White Tiger.  I was not the founder but did work with them on it's development.
 
In the past I had also attended DLI for Vietnamese.
 
I have been a student of the Martial Arts since I was in High School.  I continue to study, learn and teach.  I was inducted into the Brown and Brown Martial Arts Hall of Fame.  I was on an MTT out of SOCOM to Liberia, Africa.  While there I organized and ran the first Liberian Martial Arts Tournament.  We had hundreds of practitioners compete from various Martial Arts styles.
 
In 1989 I was assigned to JCRC (which later became JTF-FA then JPAC) at Bangkok, Thailand to work the POW/MIA Issue.  First I went to DLI for a Vietnamese refresher course then to Bangkok.  I worked the POW/MIA Issue as an officer until I retired from the Army in 1995 then was hired to work at JTF-FA as a civilian (GS-12).  I worked the POW/MIA Issue for a total of 14 years.  I was an Investigation Team Leader, Recovery Team Leader, Archival Research Team (ART) Leader, Priority Case Investigation Team (PCIT) Leader, acting Det 2, Hanoi,Vietnam commander, troop commander, Anti-Terrorism Force Protection (ATFP) officer for SEA, Trilateral Team Leader, Refugee Interview Program (RIP), and other positions.  I ran teams in Vietnam, Cambodia and investigated cases in Laos.  I was the first American to visit all the provinces of Vietnam.  For the RIP program I visited refugee camps in Thailand, Hong Kong, Philippines, Japan, Indonesia and Malaysia.
 
While as an officer working the POW/MIA Issue I was awarded:  Army Achievement Medal, Army Commendation Medal - 2, Joint Commendation Medal - 2, Meritorious Service Medal and Defense Meritorious Service Medal.  As a civilian working the Issue I was awarded numerous Navy civilian awards, cash bonuses and certificates.  When I retired from the POW/MIA Issue I was presented a high level Navy Civilian Meritorious Award and the highest cash bonus they could give me by law - which was $5,000.00.
 
In one posting on your web site a man stated that I was going to be fired from working the POW/MIA Issue.  This man stated it as a fact so I called the JPAC command and asked them.  They said No and they knew nothing of this and they missed me.
 
I retired from JPAC then end of 2003 for I truly believed I had done all I could for the Issue.  In addition I was offered a job in Iraq as a PSD Team Commander.  I deployed to Iraq the first of 2004.  I did three security contracts over the years in Iraq as a PSD Team Commander, security Manager, and Camp Commander.  I have traveled and worked all over Iraq.  I was in combat operations there.
 
Mike Janich posted derogatory information on me on your web site.  I first met Janich when he was working for Stony Beach, DIA at Hong Kong.  At that time I always wondered why there was so many different organizations working the POW/MIA Issue.  There was JTF-FA, CILHI, DPMO, Stony Beach, etc.  Now the Issue is under one command and more efficient.  Sometimes when my Sgt and I arrived Hong Kong to visit the various refugee camps around Hong Kong.  Sometimes Janich  would go with us and sometimes he would not.  Janich and I had a mutual interest - Martial Arts.  Janich left Stony Beach and joined JTF-FA at Bangkok with me.  Mr. Jennings approached me on doing a series of training tapes on knife fighting.  I knew Janich had an interest in knife fighting, knives and had studied the art.  When I first met Janich he was the most accomplished person I had ever seen with the Balisong - Butterfly knife.  We collaborated on the knife fighting video series for Panther Productions.  At that time I wanted a basic entry level training series on knife fighting.  Janich and I flew to California and shot the videos with Mr. Jennings.  I included Janich in this venture for I saw a talented young man and wanted to help him.  I had others who wanted to shoot this series with me and they were accomplished Martial Artists and knife fighters.  When Janich wrote his first book on knife fighting I assisted him in the photo sequences.  Janich was hired by JTF-FA to be an investigation team leader for Vietnam.  Janich was in the Army as a SIGINT analyst and had also attended DLI for Vietnamese and Chinese.  Janich completed several missions to Vietnam as a Team Leader when the Vietnamese PNG'd him and he could never return to Vietnam.  I know the true reason on what happened to him and what he did but will not discuss that here.  Janich was kept with JTF-FA and made an Assistant Team Leader/Analyst for Laos.  He completed several missions in this capacity.  He was not happy and applied for a position with Paladin Press to work their new video training department.  After Janich departed JTF-FA he wrote a very distasteful and hateful article concerning JTF-FA, several commanders and key personnel.  I read a copy of this article and was disappointed in Janich.  He tried to sell this article to Soldier of Fortune Magazine but they rightfully  declined.  I can understand why Janich has bad mouthed Mr. Joe Jennings for Joe was the main market for Martial Arts training tapes and Paladin Press's competitor.  Janich left Paladin Press and now makes knives, works with Spyderco and teaches his system of knife fighting and Martial Arts,
 
Janich also posted on your web site that some how I abused my ex wives or was not good to them.  He also posted that my children suffered from me.  Janich never met my ex wives and has no real idea what transpired with them.  Yes, I have had several wives and is not something I am proud of but things happen.  When I divorced them I made sure they were financially secure. Also another man posted on your web site that my son was a Muay Thai fighter and a nut case.  I have one son and one daughter.  My son is a Baptist minister/evangelist in Thailand and a true believer.  He speaks Thai fluently.    When he was young he trained in Muay Thai.  He lived at a Muay Thai gym in Bangkok and fought as a professional Muay Thai fighter in matches around Thailand.  He has taught Muay Thai at schools at Las Vegas and Honolulu.  The last several years he has been training heavily in Savate.  My son is 40 years old and weighs  240 pounds of muscle.  My daughter is a Physicians Assistant and married to a Doctor.  My son is happily married with three children.  If some one wants to attack my family I would hope they would do it to my face and not by your web site.  Then we would see what we would see.  I love my children and we are in constant contact.  My wife and I have been married many years and we are happy.  Don't attack my family.
 
You also let someone post on your web site that I had tried to fleece or scammed families involved with the POW/MIA Issue.  This is totally false.  After I departed JPAC I was approached by a family member of The National League of Families to attend their convention to speak and conduct an answer and question segment.  This family member sent me $3,000.00 to pay for my round trip air fare from Bangkok to Washington DC, lodging, food and taxi's.  As you can figure I was not making money from this.  Several days before the convention I was hospitalized and could not attend.  I informed the family member and returned the $3,000.00 to her.  I did make an interview DVD on the POW/MIA Issue.  When I was with JPAC I always said we need a historian for this is a very important Issue.  Now JPAC has a historian and he is working hard on a comprehensive history of the POW/MIA Issue.  I made the DVD to impart what the troops went and go through working the Issue.  I was and am so proud of all the young soldiers working the Issue.  I was the last Vietnam Veteran working the Issue in the field.  I made 200 copies and sold a few but gave the rest away for no charge.  I made no money from this venture and did not expect too.  How this makes me trying to fleece family members I do not know.  I never promised any family member to work their case or asked for money.  I started working on a book about the POW/MIA Issue with a co-author but dropped the project. The POW/MIA Issue is very important to me and I gave my heart and spirit to it.
 
I have trained several foreign armies in my system of combatives and operated several training camps.  I told the students this does not make you Special Forces just that you have trained in my system.  I brought in excellent instructors to assist.  I do not like the word Master and I prefer trainer, coach or just plain instructor.  I am an old man but still train everyday and will always consider myself a student.
 
Two years ago I was in a VA Hospital in ICU/Isolation and was so sick I could barely raise my arm.  I went from 210 pounds to 170 pounds.  I had a team of nine Doctors working on me and when people entered what I called my cell they had to wear what looked like haz mat suits.  I felt at that time it was my turn to die and I made peace with myself and God.  The Doctors ran every test on me they could think of.  They never figured out what was wrong with me but I slowly returned to normal.  I am now back to 215 pounds, feel real strong and can train and work out hard.  I bench sets of 315 pounds and my flexibility and speed is back.  Not bad for an old man.  Thank God.
 
You posted negative things on me about these subjects on your web site without verifying or checking with me so if you are a man of honor post this entire letter on your web site.
 
James Webb
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on November 04, 2013, 02:20:24 PM
Here is a Video tape made and sold by Mr Webb.
on the Box Mr Webb claims to be a :
" combat veteran, ranger and special forces operative Jim Webb personally takes you through the complete tough special forces and ranger workout regime designed to build today's elite modern warriors."

http://www.amazon.com/Special-Forces-Combatives-Workout-Starring/dp/B003WL9RJ4

So in his letter  above he applied but was never allowed to go to SFQC because he was already working in Group.LOL what Crap.

Why make claims to sell videos if not qualified ?
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on November 04, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
mr Webb ,
You have sent Hock a letter before saying how these accusations are in error,you did not clear them up before and you have not cleared them up again.

If you are able to read the whole 5 pages to this then you should do so.

In my posting on this issue,post 54 I post those people who have searched your background and who are Special Forces /Green Berets who have listed your BS claims and proved your claims to be false.
They also list your bring fired in 2003
They also have oncluded supportimg letters to verify their findings on your claims.
Please Read them

also in a post by me 59 ,you will see claims YOU MADE of Being SF,a Ranger and a Retired Special Forces member,which is total BS,and confirmed by you in your past letter and in your current letter.

I guess now that you are stronger you must be looking to work and need the credentials of SF ,Ranger and all the BS Bells and whistles and you just wish it would all go away because you really wanted to be SF but they wouldn't let you,boo hooo.

Qoute Mr Webb:
"I have trained several foreign armies in my system of combatives and operated several training camps."
Here in lies the Problem of so many claims for you and Mr Todd and others.
It was YOUR system of Combatives that you passed off as US Army,Special Forces,Green Beret Combatives and they were none of that just YOUR martial art which you used to make moeny and mislead people with.

Your claim to fame is nothing more than you being a martial artist that served in the US Army in The Intelligence side of the house.
While reality is you used your intelligence to lie  and create a story of military greatness that was not there.(No Ranger,No SF /Green Beret,No Instructor in, nor teacher of any authorized US army SF H2H system,No scuba diver ,no nothing)
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on December 22, 2013, 08:34:42 PM
More from Webb...he asked me to post this for him...

I answered the statements made concerning me but I guess I have to provide more information.

I once again checked with JPAC (POW/MIA Issue) command and once again I was not fired from JPAC or under investigation.  I also checked with my friends still working the Issue.  I spent 14 years working the POW/MIA Issue and I retired to take a security contract in Iraq.  I had a Top Secret (TS/SCI) clearance and they knew everything about me.  One of my security contract in Iraq was with the State Department and I had a security clearance with them and to get this position I had to have more than just a resume.  There was a Lt Col who was assigned to JPAC who did not like several civilians working the Issue - me included - and when he tried to extend his assignment for he had a "nice" position but command said No.  He was observed by several female personnel assigned to JPAC who observed him in civilian clothes and he was wearing make up.  When I retired from JPAC I received a large cash bonus and several high level government civilian awards.  You should do some checking first before you post something on your web site as a fact.

Janich said he first met me in Thailand in 1988.  In 1988 I was stationed in Korea with the 524th Counterintelligence Battalion and at that time my plan was to retire in Korea from the Army and take a civilian government position with the National Liaison Team (NLT)but then later was selected to work the POW/MIA Issue and in 1989 of course I accepted that assignment.  Janich is a talented, smart man and I can only assume he had a brain fart.  I first met Janich in 1990 at Hong Kong.

People on your web site speak derogatory about Geoff Todd. Todd trained with me for over a year before he received an instructor position in my system.  Yes, he never served in the military but he is one tough, professional Martial Artist.  When Harry passed away in New Zealand he left his school/studio to Todd in his will.  This school is a large building and is a weight lifting, boxing, wrestling and jujitsu school.  Each floor is for a specific item;  the first floor has offices, storage and a store, the second floor is weight lifting and boxing, the third floor is for jujitsu/wrestling and karate.  It is an amazing facility.  Instead of hiding behind a web site meet him then make your comments.

I operated several Martial Art training camps in Thailand.  The cost was $800 for a weeks training of 10 hours a day.  This included lodging (in a hotel), food, training, and a graduation dinner.  A better deal than you offer for training.  No, I did not have any investors - it was just me.  Somebody posted on your web site that they sat in the back and observed training at one of my camps.  Nobody was allowed to sit in the back and watch training.  This is totally a lie by your person.

You ask me to give you the name of the person who sent me $3,000 to present a lecture at the League of Families convention at Washington, DC.  No I will not, your people claim to know everything about me and that I did not repay her - but I did in full - that is a fact and if your sources know about it then that should be easy to verify.  They know all about it but don't know her name - sounds fishy.  I did not attend because I was in the hospital at that time but returned the money to her.

People on your web site can make outrageous claims without proof but when I answer them in detail you treat it poorly.  I see your web site is really malicious gossip.

Post on your web site the names and addresses of those making wild allegations and lets see who stands up.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on December 23, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
Mr Webb,
My screen name is JimH.
My real name is out there on this forum .
My Background is also out there on this forum.

The information you keep harping on about ,ripping off families of POW's is from The professional soldiers web site .
(I have clarified this several times)
You don't like what they have to say take it to the Real SF people on that site who apparently know you.

Geoff "Tank" Todd made his claims off of your certification.
A certification that had nothing to do with Special Forces or Green Beret training.
It was Your course,a Course offered by you / one not tabbed / qualified as a US Army Ranger,Nor as a US Army Green Beret.

Mr Todd speaks of training and of training Militaries.
He claims to have wished he would have been in the Military,well Sir why did he not serve ??
Oh Yeah Harry told him not to waste his time in the military hoping to be a trainer when he could go and train with the best in the world and get paper,LOL.
(Nothing better for a military,wannabe ,trainer than to have never been in the military.)

Harry ,the man who trained Mr Todd was a PT Instructor in the military and he trained in Boxing and wrestling,as was common with most PT Instructors of the time.
He was not trained in WWII combatives during the War,he read about Fairbairn and others.
(This is documented,even found on the pages of Mr Todds site)

Mr Todd inherited a gym and went on a hunt for what appeared to be military H2H training.
He got paper from you,paper that claimed he was an SF instructor and that is pure BS.
He got a Certificate in the Dirty Dozen Techniques,from Larry Jordan,which is also nothing to do with the US Army or SF,except that the man teaching it was a Ranger,Green Beret and Martial artist.
(Mr Jordan was an Instructor when I did the Q course,he was in Phase 1.Then Major Robert Howard ran the course)

The BS certificates for Mr Todd have been talked about on this forum Ad nauseam.

I love how you claim Mr Janich must have had a brain fart,lol.

Mr Webb I am interested in knowing why Mr Todd pulled /removed your name from his list of qualified instructors several years ago,when it came to light you taught / SOLD a bogus SF / Green Beret training course ?

You keep sending Hock emails about this and that.
if you do not have qualifications as a ranger or special forces green Beret then you,your course and all those you trained are nothing more than people who trained with a fake / fraud.

So unless you have some qualifications proof of being Special Forces then you are a phony and a Walter.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: whitewolf on December 27, 2013, 08:39:33 AM
I  just  read  al the  posts=Wow  is all i can  say..  Don't  know the guy (Webb) -Ill  just  say sounds  like  he is out in left field somewhere.
I personally  know some retired SF types and none  of  them even talk  about the  past. Real professonals..........And  each  one i  know still is envolved in  some  way in the arena.......my hat is off to them... WW
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 12, 2014, 11:21:02 AM
Wow!

What a crazy thread!

Hoch - kudos for publishing Mr. Webb's account - you are responsible for the website and therefore are the "deep pocket" when it comes to civilian litigation (i.e. libel).  If Mr. Webb allowed he'd appreciate the opportunity to "go public" in response to Jim H and Mike Janich's unsupported / undocumented / non referenced statements about him your legal awareness of offering him the chance to do so now shifts the burden of proof to those so noted.

Jim H - Other than it's clear you possess a penchant for some truly fabulous rants, the majority of which offer no basis in verifiable documentation, fact or references / sources who would openly side with you (meaning could stand the test of successful defense in a civil court of law), you are essentially little more than an unhappy agitator who relishes in "flinging poo".  One day someone who is smeared by you will have their attorney send you a "cease and desist" letter.  Please let us all know when that happens and from who its from.

Mike Janich - I first met Mike when he had just joined Paladin Press.  He flew out to Oregon to film my sentry removal video and we had a very nice time down on the Oregon coast, in up and down Oregon weather, getting that filming completed.  He did a nice job of editing and I appreciated his ensuring the program's dedication by me to Mike Echanis' memory was so beautifully accomplished ("Death from the Shadows", Paladin Press).

Since then and most recently Mike and I have discussed his authorship on Echanis in Black Belt, beginning in 2010 to the current "e book" which is merely a 3-page magazine cyber article repeating all the errors, half-truths and outright nonsense about Echanis allowed to stand until my research and publishing efforts, to include seeing Mike inducted into the 2013 Black Belt Hall of Fame, and with the full cooperation of the Echanis Family and now long retired U.S. Special Forces and Navy SpecWar legends like SGM Ivan Jakovenko, Master Chief Bob Nissley and Colonel Juan Montes.

As Mike has shared with me his editorial research and errors are attributed to his "small" research library and the InterNet.  However, he has yet to request correction(s) to appear in Black Belt (something a professional journalist / author is bound by the Canons of Journalism to do when in error) ... and he has, at the instruction of Spyderco Knives' senior managment, been directed to rewrite the Spydero Warrior Knife booklet section on Echanis due to its factual errors and in at least one case possibly libelous statement regarding MDE.

So, Mike - other than the fact that the only reason your forward in the 2010 Michael Echanis Collection from Black Belt Books was requested, as you have shared with me, by the editorial management of Black Belt to help market the product - did the Echanis Family know of or approve your involvement in the book or was it a surprise to them?  Just ask'in.

Also, since you brought it up on this forum regarding Mr. Webb and you and I discussed your Southeast Asia "gigs" some years back, what final military (Army) rank did you discharge from Service with?  I see "team leader", NSA "officer" and whatnot thrown around in your bio and from others.  Were you a commissioned officer or warrant officer while in the Army?  I seem to recall you telling me you were a lower enlisted rank at one time...if I am in error please correct me on this thread. 

And please, if you were commissioned, give your branch, class date (RA, ROTC, "Green to Gold", or WOC class number.

I found your account of Mr. Webb emulating, "ripping off" and otherwise relying heavily on other known and perhaps little known martial artists' video material pretty interesting. 

Datu Kelly Worden has offered - to me - this is his same criticism of you while on your journey to martial arts prominance during his own association with Paladin.  What say you?

And how much range time did you really spend with Colonel Applegate?  An hour, perhaps an hour and a half?  Anything less than one week, five 8 hour days and at least 2000 rounds is just going through the motions.  As you know I knew and interviewed and visited with the colonel quite a bit to include paying my respects at his funeral ("Modern Knife Combatives", Paladin Press, Page 99).

I spent 3 days with the first DELTA / SEAL shooting camp in California and fired 2500 rounds - and did martial arts instruction in the evenings as a student ("Modern Knife Combat", Paladin Press, Page 27 w/ photo).  If you spent any less with Rex it was just, IMHO, a nice opportunity for a photo shoot.

Finally, if Mr. Webb's account / rebuttal of your un-referrenced, unsupported allegations of spouse/family abuse, involvement with the JRC efforts, being PNG'd from Vietnam (love to hear from Mr. Webb what that allegation is all about...or for that matter you), theft of artistic property etc etc etc are even partially true - you probably should not have jumped into this tread so heartily.

Jim Webb?  Never met him that I recall.  Talked with him by phone and I believe we shared some correspondence when I was editor in chief at Fighting Knives and Full Contact.  I did feature a photo of him in "Modern Knife Combatives" on Page 66.  Caption reads "Green Beret James Webb demonstates the knife fighter's 'war face' and 100% commitment to coming out of confrontation the winner."

I'd only offer Jim's "war face" is almost - and not intentionallly - funny.  Much like yours is  >:(  Some guys got it, some guys don't.

Tank Todd is a very good fellow.  Rex Applegate thought so and Tank spent far more time with the colonel than most others who sought him out.

Jim Webb - I trust you are indeed recovering from your illness as described.  I'm pleased Hock presented your side of the story. 

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 12, 2014, 12:06:15 PM
Postscript -

As for the term "Green Beret" -

A beret is a form of headgear.  Green is a color.

A "green beret" is a form of headgear of that color.

The term "Green Beret" came about when Robin Moore's very successful book, "The Green Berets", was published.

The "Green Beret" term has come into general use and acceptance and understandably so via the mainstream entertainment / and print media.

However, the proper term is "Special Forces Soldier".

This denotes any Soldier serving with a United States Army Special Forces unit. 

Back in the day the green beret, after its formal presentation to Special Forces by President Kennedy, could be and was worn by anyone assigned to an SF Group.  The only important and meaningful designator was the presence of either a small cloth bar denoting which Group the Soldier was serving with sewn onto the beret AND the Special Forces unit emblem positioned above it.

This combination denoted a Soldier either assigned to the unit in a support role OR a Soldier who was not yet a successful graduate of the Special Forces Qualification Course.  The "flash" qualified guys called the bar a "candy stripe".  If you were an non-qual and hoping to get to SFQC it was a real motivator to get out from under that beret and into one with a full Group "flash".

The "flash" was and remains a shield shaped patch featuring the distinct color or colors of the Group one is assigned to.  The SF unit emblem is affixed to the center of the "flash" if you are enlisted.

If you are an officer or warrant officer one's commissioned rank replaces the unit emblem.

If you are a "full flash" qualified SF Soldier this is how, in the old days, one could tell at a glance if you were wearing your beret.

Back in the 80s the Army created the Special Forces tab ("long tab) in conjunction with its new Special Forces branch and 18 Series.  The full flash became common headgear on a green beret and it is the "long tab" worn on the left shoulder that denotes a fully qualified SF Operator.

The wearing of a green beret by support troops or non SF qualified troops went away some time ago - as did the candy stripe - and support / non-quals now wear a maroon beret with the Group "flash" and appropriate unit or rank emblem.  Many Group Support Battalion personnel are parachute qualified and Special Forces is denoted formally as being an Airborne unit.

That being said -

Anyone from the pre / mid 1980s generations of those assigned to an Army Special Forces unit could and did wear a "green beret".  Their qualification status was public knowledge by either the presence of a "candy stripe" or "full flash" on the beret.

Technically whether fully qualified as an operator or not the Service Member was / did serve in Special Forces and under a "green beret".

After military service it is up to the individual to qualify in what capacity he/she served in the unit / Group...as a "candy striper" or "flash qualified" Special Forces Soldier.

For example, upon my approved 4187 to attend the SFQC I was authorized to wear the Special Forces shoulder patch and a green beret with "candy stripe".  It was an honor to do so - but I couldn't wait to be rid of the "stripe of shame" as the old "full flash" guys sometimes called it  :D

When I graduated with SFQC 3-80, as an Honor Graduate of the class, I was privileged to don the beret with "full flash" (10th Special Forces Group at the time).

When the 18 Series became the norm I changed my MOS, per the requirement, from 11 Bravo, "S" (the designator for Special Forces Qualified) to 18 Bravo (Special Forces Light Weapons Sergeant) and I sewed on my "long tab".

Point is - that's how it works when you're in Group qualification wise.

The proper question of Mr. Webb is this:

"Jim (Webb), did you attend and graduate SFQC and if so, what was your class number, please?"

And:

"Jim (Webb), if you attended and graduated Ranger School what was your class number, please?

Neither is "classified" information and is provided on one's 2-1 and DD 214 which is available under FOIA.

JimH - (wasn't going to forget you, brother  ;)).  I believe you are a former Marine and went to the Army ("the dark side") after your service in the Corps.  What was your SFQC class number, please?  And did you attend while Active Duty or on orders placing you on active duty while serving with one of our Reserve/National Guard Groups?

'Cause in the Alpha Dog world of SF qualified Soldiers the Active Duty guys ALWAYS used to look down their noses at Reserve/NG SF Soldiers who qualfied as "weekend warriors"  :o

We can be a tough crowd to please.

I would close with my non-distinction of the two any longer.  I served with the 10th and 7th (Charlie Company, 3/7, El Salvador campaign) (Active Duty units), the 12th and then the 19th in 2002/2003 (Operation Iraqi Freedom).

Our two current National Guard SF Groups, the 19th and 20th, are as good a operators as the Active Duty side of the house today; they have seen their share of Wounded and Killed in Action; been awarded their fair share of Valor awards and Purple Hearts; and fought in every theatre of the Global War on Terrorism since it began.

They undergo the same rigorous Selection Phase as the Active side of the house and the same SFQC course, now many months longer than when I went through now 30+ years ago.

In fact, the coming issue of "The Drop", the Special Forces Association's (SFA) quarterly magazine for its members, is dedicated to the service and sacrifice of the 19th and 20th Groups.

And the SFA membership has its own vetting process and its own "green beret" with SFA "flash" and center emblem...or you can wear the beret and Group flash you served with and is the most meaningful to you.

De Oppresso Liber!





Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 12, 2014, 01:00:09 PM
Gads, you guys really got me going this morning  8)

Mr. Webb was apparently an "intel weinie" by MOS (Military Occupational Specialty)-

Mr. Janich was apparenlty a "language weinie" by MOS -

Neither appears to have been either SF or Ranger Qualified -

Neither appears to have been awarded either a Combat Infantryman or Medic badge for wartime service in combat.  In all fairness they wouldn't be given their MOSs don't allow for such distinction.

Mr. Webb, unless I have missed it in his responses here, did not serve in a wartime campaign.  If you did, Jim, please correct me on this thread and give which campaign, operation(s) and year OCONUS to clear this up.

I don't believe Mr. Janich ever served in a wartime campaign while in Service.  Again, if I am in error, Mike, please correct me on this thread.  Provide which campaign, in what capacity, with what unit, and when.  What is your highest military award / decoration?

Have either Mr. Webb or Mr. Janich been fired upon by an armed enemy of the United States?  Have they ever fired back? 

Mr. Webb offers working in Iraq as a PSD team leader.  Jim, which company, which contract, and where in Iraq?  I did same in late 2003 and in 2004.  Custer-Battles was my first PSD gig in Baghdad and northern Iraq/Kurdistan...then SOC...again in Baghdad and Kurdistan...then as Director of Falcon of Iraq (Kurdish company), Baghdad/norther Iraq and Kurdistan.

Just providing answers to my own questions - bona fides.  It's only fair.

Mike - Did you ever work as a high risk security contractor in Afghanistan or Iraq...or anywhere else in the past decade?  If so, for whom, in what capacity and where/when?

Have you ever worked in law enforcement as a member of an LE agency and certified as either an LEO / Corrections Officer?  If so, when and where and in what capacity, please?

I was and did.  Pulled a gun multiple times; had guns aimed at me and then took them away with shots fired involved ("The Verbal Judo Way of Leadership - Empowering the Thin Blue Line", Dr. George Thompson and myself, Pages 174-176).

Have you ever actually used a knife to either defend yourself or others?  To attack someone (military, OCONUS, wartime)?  I have and so stated years ago in an article I wrote for Knife World / Houston Price.

When and when was the last time you went hand to hand in real life?  And either won or lost?  I recall at one of Mr. Worden's Water and Steel events, when you were there filming for Paladin, offering you the opportunity to step into my sparring exercise with myself and the other students attending.  You declined.  I sparred with students and students sparred with each other.  I had some good licks put on me, several by one of Joe Simonet's female students (you know Joe, of course). 

I loved sparring, especially mock blade sparring with only protective head and eye gear, and featured it often in Fighting Knives, Full Contact and my Paladin books.  Most H2H instructors today won't spar...might make them look bad or their instruction flawed.  Me, it's all good training and gives the instructor credibility.

In Kuwait during the ramp up for OIF I taught night H2H in knife, empty hand, firearm disarms and take-aways, grappling, and improvised weapons (i.e. the helmet).  I then taught day classes in the desert to selected student, enlisted and officer, at conventional unit staging areas.

It's in my Senior NCOER and I was decorated, in part, for my extra duties in this area.

Again, what truly qualifies Mr. Webb or Mr. Janich for the purpose of this thread and because both elected to respond to it? 

Otherwise it's all unfounded, undocumented, unreferenced and unproven "dojo talk" to me and likely anyone else.







Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 12, 2014, 04:26:45 PM
And finally -

Regarding Mr. Janich -

I recently asked him if he was considering doing a training DVD with the new Spyderco Pygmy Warrior?

His response was he was not...the Warrior style knife and Hwa Rang Do were not his "thing".

My response, although not shared with Mike, was this -

1.  It doesn't matter what kind of knife one is using - "Warrior Style" or otherwise - we just had a kid wound and kill nearly a dozen of his schoolmates with, apparently, two kitchen knives.  Catagory and style of knife is irrelevant - INTENT is everything.

2.  I concur entirely with Mike's discretion regarding expounding for profit and professional curriculum a knife design tied directly to the strategy, tactics and techniques of an established marital art.  Especially when one has no relationship, training nor certification / ranking in that art.

Especially Hwa Rang Do.

Both Grandmaster Joo Bang Lee and his successor, his son, Grandmaster Taijoon Lee have long established their willingness to seek legal recourse against anyone claiming any form of official, formal, student or instructor relationship with the Hwa Rang Do organization.

This includes instructors with significant Black Belt ranking who have fallen out of favor to include Randy Wanner, Bob Duggan, Gil Kim and others over the years.

Fraternally HWD has long enjoyed a very, very close relationship with Black Belt Magazine / O'Hara and now Black Belt Books.  Extremely influential and close knit.

To produce a book or DVD offering instruction of any catagory and centered on Hwa Rang Do techniques - while not being formally and officially sanctioned by the Hwa Rang Do organization - would very likely be a very unhappy legal experience (i.e. trademark violation, at the least).

In reality a gifted knife technician, which is what, IMHO, Mike is...or a bona fide edged weapons "real deal meal" such as Kelly Worden, the late Sonny Umpad, Dan Inosanto, Taijoon Lee, Randy Wanner, Bob Taylor, Kelly McCann or the late Ron Ishida (who was true Samurai and taught the late Al Mar in sword techniques) can and will take a Pygmy Warrior and make the most of its features regardless of Art.

With that being said, the Warrior Knife is so closely and now formally attributed to incorporation with Hwa Rang Do and its knife training that to fully expound / expand on the knife in H2H you'd have to present HWD techniques.  And to do that you have to be trained and  ranked by the HWD folks. 

Because some martial arts have protected themselves legally so as to prevent, deter or otherwise stop such things.

Good call, MJ.  Good call.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: Hock on April 12, 2014, 07:38:19 PM
Sabre...
As for me I don't care about this at all. It is so long I really haven't followed it. My eyes glaze over trying to read it.

I will let Webb say anything he wants anytime. I just don't care. I really wish he would join the forum and just say what he wants anytime he wants. Instead he asks me to post stuff and I will gladly post anybody's rebuttal, anytime. (He often jumps on me as I have had said every word against him!? I have not.)

Anyone is free to rebut ANYTHING. I do wish they would leave me out of it.

Hock
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 13, 2014, 09:33:41 AM
Hock -

The devil is in the detail   :D

But for the sake of those who want a "Bottom Line - Up Front" approach -

Jim Webb did serve, and served honorably, in the United States Army and in Special Forces.

And retired as a commissioned officer (Warrant).

And has contributed, over the years, to the martial arts community.

Mike Janich was a translator who did not serve a full military career, was as I recall lower enlisted ranks when he left the military, did not serve in any Special Forces or special operations units, and like Webb has contributed a great deal to the martial arts community.

Mike should never have written what he did regarding Chief Webb's personal life (his family).  Families are off limits and as former LEOs you and I know that better than most.  In the old school days Jim Webb would have been on Mike's doorstep within 24 hours of reading what Mike wrote.

I know several folks who would do so today.

That should NEVER have been allowed to stand on this thread.

I think Webb handled it graciously.  Far more so than I would have.

"JimH" should have stepped up and given his full name and background when Webb asked him to.  Instead he ducked and covered.  That's BS - and CS, in my book.

Finally, I agree with your assessment you'd like to be "left out of it".

I'm sure Mike Janich feels the same way at this point.  I do want to find out if Janich was declared Persona Non Grata in Vietnam as Webb offers.  You have to really do something incredibly stupid / dumb to warrant that.

Point being...if you want to be left out of the fight don't jump into it.

And if you jump in you'd better be able back your s**t up.

Pax
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on April 14, 2014, 12:01:01 PM
Wow,another cause for which you have no documntation and of which your knowledge for some reason is scewed even though you state the Green Beret is Head Gear,and clarify that one could not wear a full flash on their Beret unless they were fully qualified,you state that James Webb was indeed Special Forces.WRONG,and he has/had pictures wearing a Full Flash out there.
Again if you read all the posts you would see that I referenced the Professional Soldiers site,that has a few pages on Mr Webb and his false claims of being Special Forces qualified as well as his not being a Ranger.
Both of which he,Mr Webb, claimed / claims.
You will aslo see where he was found to have ripped off family members of those with family members MIA in Vietnam.

You seem to always attempt to defend those you do not know and attest to them being legit when they are not.(Defend them and then ask them,Mr Webb to list fates he attended schools,long wait as he never attended SF or Ranger schools.

I think if you read the pages of the posts on this site and or read the Mr Webb posts on Professional Soldier you will see some very known and knowledgable people who state the truth .
One was a SGT Major who was on the Son Tay raid and when you did phase one  in 1980 was then retired and came and told you about the raid,he looked into Mr Webb.

As for me ,I have challenged the frauds and have even been called a fraud and investigated by POW network at the request of Jim Wagner and others. I was found to be telling the truth about my military background.to Include USMC,graduate of the Royal Marine Commando school,Graduate of the German Airborne  Commando  course 1970's  Altenstadt ,(I have pictuies from there with me ,the Germans and members of 5th group) member of the US Army Special forces from 1980-1988 serving one year in HQ unit,how I knew the candy stripe, and 7 years on an ODA as a fully qualified 12B later to become 18C,I am a SF tab owner,and a Member of the SFA as a Full Member,I am also a member of the Professional Soldier site.
Funny you question me ,but push forward Mr Webb and Mr Echanis as being qualified in all they stated,lol.

If you read my replies to Mr Webb's statements as sent to ,and posted by Hock,I have also refered him to the Professional Soldiers site and told him to go there and rebutt them.

I guess soemthing happened between you and Mr Janich so you are here to attack him and question his credentials,lol.

Keep watching the Echanis thread,surprises to come.
(See  do my homework)
Here is a gift for you as you are all over the Ranger sites about Echanis and the men wounded with him at Ahn Khe.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/Ledger-Enquirer/obituary.aspx?n=Eddie-Roberts&pid=152492539

Hurry over to Wiki with it,lol.
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 16, 2014, 10:27:59 AM
"Jim H' -

Thanks for the reply.

But you forgot to post your real name.  Please do ;D

Nope.  Mike and I disagree on some things and have different ways of going about what we do.  I have no animosity or "angst" about or with him.  He may feel otherwise but as for me...no drama.

By the by, I don't rely on websites for my "historical research".  Anyone who does might as well have a MySpace account for the same purpose...or Facebook.

You can continue to bash on Mike Echanis' name all you like.  If all you can offer is "Professional Soldier" and other cyber space "sources" you'll simply continue to look unprofessional, inept, incompetent and with an ax of your own to grind.

Like I asked, post your real name, brother.  Stand and Deliver!

Yeah, I know the crazy situation you described about being doubted ref background.

I was at our SF chapter's annual BBQ two years ago.  A close friend, Jim Day, who was with SOG introduced me to a guy who was likewise former SF.

We start talking and he offers he once lived in a community I lived in, too.  He then says "Yeah, there was this phony SF living there..." and he goes on to describe me.

Jim starts laughing and the guy asks what was so funny.  I, chuckling as well, offered "Hey, that guy is me ;D".  The guy blanches and then offers a supreme apology. 

Like I said...unless you do your homework and do it with due diligence you can expect to be embarrased at the very least :-X

As for the history of the beret and the "flash" and candy stripe.  Again, that's good work - your commentary is limp and avoids reality.  Oh, again, did  you attend SFQC as a reserve/National Guard soldier or Active Duty?  I'm bett'in reserve/guard.  What was your SFQC class number?  Stand and Deliver!  I'd be happy to run your credentials down just as I did MDE's -

Oh, by the by.  Officers, back in the day, could wear a full flash even if not SF qualified but assigned to Group.  Jeffrey McDonald - see new issue of "The Drop" from SFA if you don't know who he is - was an SF doc and wore full flash while assigned to Group...before being convicted of  murdering his wife, of course :o

Gotta run.  Real work to do 8)
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on April 16, 2014, 02:03:08 PM
I love how web sites are un professional and you are all over them looking for people to acknowledge knowing Mr Echanis.
Not much luck though.
I also like how much knowledge ,you,as the Echanis historian had when you first came on here,lol.
I guess before you got that record  on Mike ,you were a professional with so many facts, (if you believe that go back and read your posts).
MY un professional approach seems to have gotten you far enough to contact the people I mentioned to you ,lol.

My reference to the professional soldier site was in reference to Mr Webb as the men on there did the research ,ran his name and proved he lied,About being a Ranger and SF qualified.
others worked with him on MIA Matters ,and they said relatives said Mr Webb took money from them. I believe they even have the name/s listed.
These men,their names and associations  with Mr Webb are all listed on professional Soldiers site. Sgt Major Lupyak ran one of the searches on Webb,as stated on that site.
AGain,unless you have a way to get those documents then people at the scene ,with knowledge of the event are your resource, (like on the police department,records are made from interviews)as are the names of people around Echanis,as you do not have documents to back up most claims ,only the little from records and hear say,hear say which is similar to posts on sites.(funny my un professional research has ended up posted by you on other sites and wiki,lol.)

Unless I do my home work I will be embarrassed.
Show me my errors and where I have been embarrassed.
(I am also an agitator,lol.)
Better look back at your post,as your view point was the same as mine,Echanis was not SF and did not attend Ranger school,you were also unsure if jump qualified,lol. Are you embarrassed of your un documented,unprofessional views / opinions ?
 Your goal is to make Echanis into some super warrior and he was not.
You must keep trying,so much so you will attack anyone who goes counter to your view /opinion.

You want to run me ,like you did Mike Echanis  ? Go ahead.
You want me to stand and deliver,lol. Why ?
I have not offered to make money selling a product or a course or a book ,using my military career as a sales point.

Can Echanis and or Webb ,or many of the other fakes and frauds selling courses and books claiming to be SF,Rangers,SWAT,Marines say the same?

 Did Echanis deliver proof of SF ? No he Quit.
Prove of being a Ranger ? No, (people still trying to connect him some how.) aS pointed out in another post as of Feb 1970 one had to be a LRRP or a graduate of Ranger school to be called a Ranger,not just attached to a unit.
Is there any PROOF in the records that says he was a Ranger or a LRRP allowed to be be termed Ranger ?  No . You are associating him with a unit and making your own conclusion. you say his 2-1 says he was a Scout Observer. Is that a LRRP ? No.  Is that a graduate of the Ranger school ? No. So how does Mr Echanis fit the criteria ? The requirements were / Are set forth in writing,so where is the documented proof of LRRP or Ranger school grad to  make the claim he was a RANGER ?

Did Jim Webb deliver ?  Did he prove SF before you defended him ?
Did he prove Ranger ?  No on either case as he did not attend SFQC,not even as a phase one and quit as Echanis,but MR Webb himself says he Wanted To attend SFQC but higher ups denied him the chance. NOT Special Forces,just Military Intelligence that worked with SF?

My name is on this forum in many places.
Sorry I will not put specifics of my life story on here ,an open forum,all tied together with name,schools dates,addresses and social security for you to RUN me.
I have already told you i served with the USMC and I told you what unit I served with within SF.
you asked did I serve with Active ,reserve or guard and I have previously given you this information and years served.
Since you served active and guard,and went active into harms way with both do you have a problem with the capabilities of any of these men,as they all have ,since 2001 ,served in Iraq,Afghanistan and other places.
I have given you more info than most,locate it and then you will have the answers  all tied together.

The J McDonald piece is on page  12 of the new Drop

JimH
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 20, 2014, 09:58:01 AM
Again, lots of gorilla dust but no gold ;)

You and MJ had no problem jumping in together on James Webb -

Until someone called you on it -

Now it's not so fun anymore, is it?

(Cyber) Bullies are like that, yeah, they really are >:(

So, from your end, you don't want to play anymore, correct?

And from MJ's end he clearly doesn't want to provide (and he could do so privately by email to me, of course) what his last rank was in the Army before he got out...his MOS...what he means by "team leader" in his public bio / profile...nor apparently why - if true - he was PNG'd from Vietnam.

Like I said...not so much fun any more when you the ones called to "Stand and Deliver!".

 ::)

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 20, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
As for outing phony SF/SEAL and other frauds -

Team Sergeant and I at ProfessionalSoldiers have talked in the past.

This is the latest phony "green beret" I assisted in putting to bed - http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=38450 in conjunction with what was then a long going police investigation (Bend Police Department, Bend, Oregon).

In the same town (where I lived and worked for 10 years) I outed phony SEAL Dennis Chapman.  I hooked up with the reporter of this article on Chapman's alleged murder of his mother in AZ before coming to Bend - http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1990-11-14/news/the-tell-tale-suspect/full/

Then busted him out on local television and in the paper (Bend Bulletin, Veterans Day, 1990) which Paul Rubin at New Times in AZ followed with his article.  In the Spring 1991 issue of Fighting Knives Magazine, for which was the editor, I ran a full feature to include Chapman's DD214. 

All these documented stories got Chapman the honor of being included in the first edition of "Stolen Valor".

In all, over the years, I believe I've tallied about 17 such assists.

Point being - if anyone has a track record of  smoking out SOF frauds I do.

MDE never claimed to be anything other than what he was.  Even Mike  Janich would attest to that and in a recent  email to me he offered my investigative work on this subject was "outstanding".

And please don't go there with the "smoke and mirrors" regarding Reserve/NG SF Soldiers and Service - again, just "Stand and Deliver" about your own background.

I served in both Active, Reserve and NG SF units.  One combat campaign with Active and one with the 19th (OIF).  I was DIMA with the 3rd Group, 10th and 5th over the course of my career.

I worked directly for MG Ken Bowra when he was USASFC Commander and needed this little bit of work done  on behalf of our community - http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/1999/summer/a-defector-in-place

You likely dug the "Special Forces Underground" - if so, sorry about that 8)

When I retired in 2005 I was awarded the Washington National Guard Legion of Merit for my service with Company A, 1/19th Special Forces Group (Airborne), Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Two of those I served with in Kuwait and Iraq were later KIA in Iraq.  One was a brother law enforcement officer in civilian life - I attended his funeral - http://www.komonews.com/news/local/4402661.html

"Stand and Deliver!" - Oh, that's right, you're not going there are you?

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on April 20, 2014, 12:23:31 PM
I don't want to play what anymore ?

this is an open forum and I am not going to put my name and all my info out there in one piece so other a holes can use my info and  service.

Again my info is out there on this forum,you are a researcher ,do the research.
I told you I served in the  USMC and in SF.
I told you where and when. It is all on these pages ,on this forum so you don't have to go far.

I am not playing anything.
I did my time in the USMC and accomplished a lot and was rewarded for it.
I also did my time in the Army and was rewarded by them with an 18C mos. Enough so to do the job and if I had stayed in another  12 years would have been with some of my friends who did the extra time and been in Iraq and Afghanistan with them.

As said I have been through being checked out,because Jim Wagner and others did not like my outing them. Done through research and piecing crap together.
I don't care if you check me out.
I am and have done what I say.
If you check me out ,when done please come on and acknowledge the fact that I am what I say I am,and don't leave it like I am a Liar or fraud.

much appreciated
Semper Fi
DOL
Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: JimH on April 20, 2014, 05:35:37 PM
Mr Walker,
if you can access the professional Soldier site ,run A search for JimH and you will see my info on the several posts I have made.
I believe I have talked of years in ,company and team,along with members.
Also I believe Team Sergeant is a moderator of the site,perhaps he can give you the info I used to get vetted to be a member of the site.

For some reason I have never been able to use the contact / email on this site. if I could I would have no problem giving you what ever info you want.

Sorry,not running from anything,especially not your inquiry,just not comfortable putting all my eggs in one basket where anyone can take my credentials and use them on their site or as part of their life story.
that is why I am not on Facebook,Twitter or any other thing,aside form a few sites.

I know what state you live in,give me two initials of the city and I will gladly call you if you want.
if you can use this sites email / contact ,send me a contact message and I will gladly write back.

See I am not you ,where you have put all your info out there in books,articles,stories and the such.
As said I believe I gave you the information you ask for ,just not at one time on one page,or on one thread.
again sorry for what you take as evading you.

Title: Re: James M. Webb & Special Forces Combatives
Post by: SabreActual on April 26, 2014, 10:29:35 AM
JimH -

Good morning, Sir!  ;D

Re-checked my account after many months with ProfessionalSoldiers and caught up with what is posted there.

And visited with Kelly Worden yesterday up in Tacoma.  Datu Worden's memory reaches far, far back where folks come from in the martial arts world and he offered some great insights about Webb, among others :D

Although I have to say my favorite guy is Glenn Wheaton where totally off the hook personalities are concerned ::)

While at Kelly's I re-read a video product we'd reviewed in the 1st issue of Full Contact Magazine circa 1994.

Dude calling himself "Thore" released it through an outfit called "Security Rectifiers, Inc" in southern CALI.  "Thore" offered he'd been Echanis' protoge' and had "traveled the global hotspots of the world with his mentor on missions both overt and covert."

Bob Taylor turned me on to this product back then - and we checked it out - and learned the guy's real name - and published death-knell review of the video and its claims to include running the info past Randy Wanner.

It soon went bye-bye on the market.

I loved Randy's comment which we printed - "it's not too hard to association yourself with a man who's been dead over 15 years now...unless you're one of the few people like myself and Gary O'Neal who actually knew and worked with Mike up until his death."

Kelly had interviewed O'Neal in our 1st issue at the '92 SOF convention.  Also there introducing / training the then new Al Mar Warrior and putting on Echanis-like demonstrations of Ki was Wanner and Bob Taylor.  Kelly got some great photo sequences of these which we published. I think it's the only time all three are seen together in such a venue.

Great historical stuff.

I sent Michael J a concise documentation packet regarding Echanis.  Now there are two of us out there who have the relevant facts, on paper.  Mike's forward in the Echanis Collection on behalf of Black Belt Books is truly stand up - and he's advised me along with Sal at Spyderco they have re-written and corrected the orginal Warrior booklet soon to be included with every Pygmy Warrior as well as GuyR Warrior sold 8)

Jambo!
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