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General Category => Stick and Baton Combatives => Topic started by: markk_556 on January 17, 2010, 10:54:34 PM

Title: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: markk_556 on January 17, 2010, 10:54:34 PM
     So I stumbled across a clip on youtube from ILEETA conference in Chicago. It was on a company from canada. The company was showing for the first time Blue Baton. A training baton that actually collapses and functions like a "live" baton.  They look pretty good, but haven't trained with them. I was wondering if any of you fine people have any experience with them.
Title: Re: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: Hock on January 18, 2010, 10:51:15 AM

Still have to do that silly thigh strike.

Title: Re: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: grlaun on January 18, 2010, 09:08:21 PM
Title: Re: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: markk_556 on January 18, 2010, 10:57:47 PM
Yeah the whole "meat strikes" instead of "protruding surface" strikes isn't the best. Training for Weapon acquisition and attribute development under stress with the "Blue baton" seems viable. Who ever is doing the training can choose target areas. The flexible section seems a little unnecessary if they are "keeping it real". Mass X Acceleration = Force. They focus on the "deceleration", what about using the same design with a solid end section. It looks like its made of a strong plastic. Plastic= Less mass=Less force. Solid construction makes for a more "realistic" design. Couple that with moderate protection and it could make for a good training session. Am i thinking along the right lines? Opinions are appreciated.
Title: Re: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: Canuk on January 19, 2010, 07:54:35 AM
If its only claim to fame is that it callopses then its a loser, just another fad.
Title: Re: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: Joe Hubbard on January 20, 2010, 08:52:51 AM
I use the training baton from Century.  Not sure if they still do them, but I picked up two several years ago for about $15.00.  I use this baton in my Contract 4 Ground Fighting DVD .


Excellent piece of training kit!

Title: Re: "Blue Baton" Trainer
Post by: redcap on February 02, 2010, 06:42:23 PM
Surely the big thing is it replicates the 'draw'? If you work with an expandable baton yet train with a rigid one, there are issues. You will likely always have it in your hand, which isn't the case for real. Note in the demo clip when the officer draws the baton. If he left it much later he would be managing the offender with empty hand techniques. If he was training with a rigid baton the baton might already be in hand and thus a very important part of the training is missed. Knowing when to draw and practising drawing under pressure.

I don't share Hock's dislike for the thigh hit, but then I would adjust it to a kneecap if I felt the offender was hopped up enough a heavy thigh strike wouldn't do the business. I do agree that plenty of people would take the thigh strike and keep fighting, even if not drugged up. But for a low risk law suit proof target, it gets the cop swinging and that is a good thing. Note in the demo clip the first two strikes are to the arm. He strikes the thigh when the offender is on the ground trying to rise and the leg is the closest target.

Just as you should practise deploying all weapons, sidearm, MACE, handcuffs and so on, you need to practise the baton draw so it becomes instinctive and efficient under duress. If this item enhances that practise then it is a good thing, surely? It might not be the be all and end all, but it does have merit.