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General Category => Gun Fighting => Topic started by: Keith Miller on October 11, 2010, 11:43:10 AM

Title: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Keith Miller on October 11, 2010, 11:43:10 AM
How many times does this guy muzzle himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFCAfhzPiqo
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Hock on October 11, 2010, 11:58:57 AM
Gun Yoga

Notice in the end he puts his hand down and just gets up. First practical move of the clip.
Anyone who thinks all that is practical needs a reality check.
Once again confirming my belief that Systema is just a very, very weird, slinky martial art.

Hock
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Kentbob on October 11, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
I stopped watching less than halfway through.  I kept screaming in my head "Will you just freakin' stand up?!"  I've fallen with a pistol and a rifle...in body armor.  It ain't rocket science.  This clip looks like the equivalent of trying to build space shuttles.  No way am I going to do all that knee walking stuff.  I may wiggle around a little trying to get myself up...but if you flip over to your belly you can push yourself up to your feet pretty darn quick.  These techniques?  are not gaining mobility back after falling, or even taking a knee.  Freakin' weird.

Kent
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Tansau on October 11, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
Can't help it; this reminds me of the "Gun Katas" from the movie Equalibrium:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEPNmj1SEeA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEPNmj1SEeA)
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Canuk on October 11, 2010, 05:39:37 PM
Can't help it; this reminds me of the "Gun Katas" from the movie Equalibrium:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEPNmj1SEeA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEPNmj1SEeA)

lol beat me to it
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: whitewolf on October 11, 2010, 07:42:30 PM
looks like a dance recital-where are the ballarina slippers?  ;D WW
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Webby on October 12, 2010, 07:31:37 AM
I don't think much of this one, but I've seen some interesting Systema training clips and full length DVD'S. All the strikes are petty standard if a little sloppy, the knife stuff is unnecessarily complex, some of the ground stuff is good, but ' The Beyond The Physical ', esoteric, mind control stuff is nonsense. These guy's are play acting.

I do recommend that people scan though these obscure martial art style's because there's always some useful knowledge in there somewhere. I read a book on self-defense as a 12 year old kid about, ' The deadly monkey street skills ' or some other nonsense.
Got my ass ( and teeth ) kicked in. The knowledge I discovered is that there is no shortcut's in life, proper training with a real teacher is the only way.

Mark     
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Dawg on October 12, 2010, 07:54:30 AM
How many times does this guy muzzle himself?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFCAfhzPiqo

I saw some "muzzling" a couple of different times that was completely unnecessary (sorry, didn't bother to count them all).

I would also be willing to bet they did at least some light stretching before working this material. I'd like to see them try some of that after sitting in a patrol car for a few hours or after standing watch on some post during some cold weather.
(Where were all the 40+ folks at?)

Overcomplicating something that should be made as safe, simple, instinctive and practical as possible.

But, hey, this may be their way of pushing the envelope and I'm just too cynical to buy into it.

Different strokes for different folks. NOT going into Dawg's playbook anytime soon.
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: JimH on October 12, 2010, 08:09:37 AM
Systema was and is sold as the H2H /Combat craft skills of the Spetsnaz.
Systema is just a form of Aikido.
The gulible public seeking some exotic form of Military Special Operations training eats this BS up and  believes this is what these units use in combat.
There are many clips of Spetsnaz  in combat on you tube and none of these skills are shown.
(I wonder why,lol)
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: Canuk on October 12, 2010, 10:48:17 AM
I think that people have been falling down and getting while carrying weapons for thousands of years. It's a simple concept. Get up no need to over think it. Id like to see this shit tried in the mud, water, up hill downhill, stairwell, elevator in the bush on the ice. You know where "life" happens
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: VicMackey on October 16, 2010, 01:57:33 PM
Before I got into Hocks CQC and other RBSD programs out there, I used to supplement my Muay Thai/JKD/FMA w/ some TRS videos (best one I still have is Bennie Cooley's Fighting Mindset 3 part series). As a matter of fact, I still have a few of them around and still pretty useful. But the ones I wished I never bought are the Systema videos. I would not doubt Vlad's knowledge and skill but I just feel, IMHO (for Systema practitioners, don't get offended), most of the techniques are very risky, questionable, and impractical for me.
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: JimH on October 17, 2010, 05:42:20 PM
Deadliest Warrior had Spetsnaz versus Green Beret:
http://www.spike.com/full-episode/green-beret-vs/32039

At around 8 minutes we see Spetsnaz doing these same Rollie Pollie moves as they would supposedly employ them in combat,lol.
Title: Re: Systema Gun Drills
Post by: VicMackey on October 18, 2010, 07:12:27 PM
Deadliest Warrior had Spetsnaz versus Green Beret:
http://www.spike.com/full-episode/green-beret-vs/32039

At around 8 minutes we see Spetsnaz doing these same Rollie Pollie moves as they would supposedly employ them in combat,lol.
Yes, I saw than months back on History Channel. When I saw them doing those moves when shooting, it reminded me of Vladimir Vasiliev's Systema. Even though that was a questionable move, there is no denying that the Spesnatz training is much more brutal.
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