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Post by: Bryan on October 09, 2010, 08:57:45 AM
Back to Kent Bob and Kieth Miller. Its no big deal if your out there training people with no practical fighting experience but you guys should at least be honest about your backgrounds. All the talk about striking the liver and all that, who are you hitting? students? Its highly doubtful your banging up your students and having them stay around. Neither one of you have ever mentioned working as security at the kind of place where serious violence is an issue. There are also the many legal issues involved with violence, its not like the old days where you can kick the shit out of people then forget about it.

Its kinda like that blow hard that works at a major university in a computer lab but on the internet he is a complete ass kicking outlaw. The problem being if he had ever had a single misdemeanor charge for violence he would not be able to work at the university. Its one thing to train people at a gym, to hit your friends messing around in a park or whatever. Then its a completely separate thing to hit someone in the head trying to completely fuck their world up. To have some violent drugged out maniac trying to murder you then having to deal with it, to be covered in blood, both yours and theirs. 


If I'm wrong about your practical experience in fighting please correct me but it seems to me you are both a couple nice kids from suburbia, not street fighters, not even ring fighters.


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Post by: Kentbob on October 09, 2010, 10:18:52 AM
Wow...speaking of chuckles... :D
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Post by: whitewolf on October 09, 2010, 11:41:52 AM
heheheh- nice kids- thats a real statement in its self- WW
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 09, 2010, 11:48:31 AM
So, then if I don't answer...Bryan is right? What if I answer and he's wrong?

Have I fought in a ring? Yes. Have I fought in the street? Yes. Did I win or lose? Both.

Hey guys, anybody that wants to know a little bit about me....just give a call @ 916-514-0100 or drop an email to me at kmiller@mma4sacramento.com. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have, if you are thinking about coming and training at our facility.

Don't listen to goofs with vendettas on the internet...come down and try out our place for yourself...then you can judge if we know what we are doing or not.

BTW: 3rd Dan Unarmed Combatives, under Hock; 1st Dan Knife/Counter Knife, under Hock; Black Belt in Xtreme Freestyle under Jim McCann; Certified JKD Instructor under Tim Tackett....You want to know what I'm capable of doing? Just call these prominent instructors for a reference.

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Post by: Bryan on October 09, 2010, 01:48:20 PM
So, then if I don't answer...Bryan is right? What if I answer and he's wrong?

Have I fought in a ring? Yes. Have I fought in the street? Yes. Did I win or lose? Both.

Hey guys, anybody that wants to know a little bit about me....just give a call @ 916-514-0100 or drop an email to me at kmiller@mma4sacramento.com. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have, if you are thinking about coming and training at our facility.

Don't listen to goofs with vendettas on the internet...come down and try out our place for yourself...then you can judge if we know what we are doing or not.

BTW: 3rd Dan Unarmed Combatives, under Hock; 1st Dan Knife/Counter Knife, under Hock; Black Belt in Xtreme Freestyle under Jim McCann; Certified JKD Instructor under Tim Tackett....You want to know what I'm capable of doing? Just call these prominent instructors for a reference.



Kieth, this is not Bullshido or any kind of witch hunt. If you have practical experience I'm interested to hear about it. If my interest was character assassination or just creating drama I would not ask, for that matter it was the Bullshido website that started writing crap about you being a fake, I have never in my memory called you that as I know you have spent a lot of time with Hock.

Back when we first had disagreements you were a kid, your older now, you have had time to develop a little but it seems you have the same attitude. If you want to lawyer up on simple background questions that's your right to do, it just does not look very good.
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Post by: Bryan on October 09, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
Wow...speaking of chuckles... :D

It is slightly entertaining to watch you type in circles, I'm sure you impress the kids back home.
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Post by: whitewolf on October 09, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
Not taking sides- but it would appear that Keith has a lot going for him in CQC tactics-
We are talking about strike combos-and how it worlks
Striking the liver -hitting the jaw-ripping the eyes with a claw--what ever do it quick and repeatedly untill he is down. And---remember as Hock says-
ITS NOT OVER TILL ITS OVER-
JMHO ww
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Post by: Kentbob on October 09, 2010, 04:29:01 PM
Well, Bryan, you show me yours and I'll show you mine.  What makes you any kind of expert?

Kent
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Post by: Bryan on October 09, 2010, 07:25:57 PM
Well, Bryan, you show me yours and I'll show you mine.  What makes you any kind of expert?

Kent

What do you want to know? My lineage of instruction? Whether or not I have any practical fighting experience? My knowledge and qualifications with weapons?

In the 20s my grandfather served in the Pacific and on the U.S.S. Arizona. He was one of those rough and tumble guys that used to fight on the decks when they set up boxing rings and beat the hell out of each other for fun. Later he spent a few years in the East Texas oil fields and the Gulf. He was in the Navy Auxiliary at that time and in June 42 signed up for the Navy Reserve. He was activated right away and dispatched to New Orleans and Galveston with Shore Patrol.

When I was a kid he had  billy clubs and stuff like that left over from back then. While in Galveston waiting for war he made his own knife, a dagger, I still have the blade and its being reviewed to be displayed at a Museum. Needless to say Pearl Harbor effected him in a dramatic way as he had served on the Arizona. He was dispatched to Coronado Island and moved the family out there then shipped out on a flotilla to Africa from New York. Nobody is sure exactly what happened to him over there. What I can confirm with documents is he was there, North Africa, and he came back half dead with steel inside him. 

Everyone called him Chief including my grandmother till the day he died at 89. Growing up he taught me all kinds of stuff about fighting. Things like attitude, timing, hooks, jabs, knife work, giving me a machete to have me cut brush till both my hands were bloody. Things like point shooting, hunting, stuff many refer to as bushcraft. So that provides me a direct lineage to Pacific and WW2 Combatives including the link to Shanghai China in the 20s where my grandfather served for a time.

Little Rock is a notorious place for violence. At the time I grew up here boys were encouraged to beat the hell out of each other. By the time I went to the Army I had a good bit of experience fighting the usual punch ups. Then I got hooked up with other like minded people and spent as much time as possible in the gym training to fight which we did every weekend. That was the 80s and you could still get away with some fighting back then, its not like today. As a cowboy I spent a bunch of time learning the psychology and skills it takes to break horses to ride. Anyone that's broken horses knows its much less a challenge to break men. Its no secret I liked to drink whiskey and fight when I was young, I lived that way for years.

Eventually I got a job at one bar then another in Key West and worked my way up at the toughest bar in town. Lots of action there every night, there was always something going on. Even though my job was to deescalate situations that was not always possible when people have a head full of alcohol, drugs, and demons. 

I have spent a week in hospital after punching a guy in the teeth so hard I almost lost my finger from the cut to my hand. Been bitten on the face a few times, knocked people unconscious, subdued then handcuffed steroid heads, hit people for real with weapons beating them into the fetal position, choke slammed fat ugly out of control drunk trailer trash women who were trying to rip my face off with their fingernails, In general I have been covered in blood on multiple occasions and lived to see the sunrise.

What I just wrote is only a taste of my background. As many know I have spent time alone in Alaska and most recently came back from 8 years in Southeast Asia. I'm not SF or CIA and never claimed to be, I'm just a guy who likes to have a good adventure and lived out more than my fair share of them. In my current circumstance I live in one of the most notorious bad areas of Little Rock where I'm one of the good guys, the guy wearing the white cowboy hat.

In the end this is not a dick measuring contest. For the most part I believe Hocks mission is take people who may become victims and give them skills so that does not have to happen.  Many cops go through a entire career having never fired a weapon on duty. The same can be said of people involved with training, not all will be blooded fighters, no big deal but everyone should be honest, trust and verify is my motto.

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Post by: Keith Miller on October 09, 2010, 08:30:02 PM
Very well, where do I begin?

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.
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Post by: Bryan on October 09, 2010, 09:08:14 PM
Very well, where do I begin?

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.

At least you seem to be entertaining yourself,,,,,,,, not sure if anyone else thinks its funny.
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Post by: Hock on October 09, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
To hear a verbal narration of Keith's history, see the last 40% of this video clip, spoken by his brother...the one...Dr Evil...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVaz8ZZxoxo

Hock
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 09, 2010, 10:21:16 PM
Shortly after my 14th birthday, I was shanghaied by the Turkish navy while on holiday in Nepal with my father's eunuch chamber maid. The captain of the decrepit vessel , Captain Rash, was a rotund man with a limp. He smelled of elder berry, and constantly called me "Kithe" instead of my given name of Ashtowan. This name later became the "Keith" that all of you know now...but that is a different story.

Nightly, cpt. Rash would have me scrub the callouses from his disgusting feet with a dried dill pickle. I dared not protest for fear of being left to fend for myself in the general quarters with the rest of the crew. Satisfying his odd fetish seemed a good trade out for the continued virginity of my prostate. This went on for three years.

It was during this time that Capt. Rash schooled me in the art of using the cat o nine tails. Daily we would practice on crew members lashed to the deck for committing various offenses that Rash deemed punishable by beating. I became so proficient with this weapon that I could swat a fly from a crew members testicles without leaving a mark.

More soon.....
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Post by: Bryan on October 09, 2010, 11:04:50 PM
To hear a verbal narration of Keith's history, see the last 40% of this video clip, spoken by his brother...the one...Dr Evil...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVaz8ZZxoxo

Hock

Hock, why should some jack ass like Jim Wagner answer any question you ask of him if you yourself are the captain of a ship of fools? It seems plenty hypocritical to me that you have Kieth Miller representing you out west, he is on here talking about hitting people in the kidneys as if he is out there doing it everyday, then he cannot even answer a couple simple questions on you guys own website where you have complete editorial powers.

I told you stuff about my grandfather a long time ago but I waited till I had done a good amount of research, till I had reviewed his records, at least what I could get, before I posted anything about in public.  Then your guy asks me and I tell a simple version of the story only to have you and your guys make a joke out of it. Is there anything funny about the U.S.S. Arizona? Anyone claiming guys on it in the twenty's were not harder than anyone and everyone we have in the military or police today?
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Post by: Hock on October 09, 2010, 11:11:26 PM
He is actually making a joke about HIS past.

But if you are a hyper-sensitive little lilly, you might think it was about you.
Dr Evil is hysterical. I love those speeches!

You must be having a bad night. Why don't you take the rest of the night off.
Hock
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Post by: whitewolf on October 10, 2010, 12:34:31 AM
Bryan-take a break man-every one gets razzed on the forum at one time or another-
even me the old white wolf (with no certificate) ;D ;D
When i get razzed or even worse i just call the grand master of the wolf clan and he says to me-  Look-wolfie- you is a Jersey boy who grew up getting your ass kicked and kicking some also-now you is  72 -still breathing and panting when it gets hot like a wolfie should-and  wolfie you need another tatoo-quickly- which i fully intend to do.........and with that i will say to you and all reading this -
Goodnight Chesty- whereever you are-semper fucking fi...
WW (ELB) speed of light
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 12:39:43 AM
He is actually making a joke about HIS past.

But if you are a hyper-sensitive little lilly, you might think it was about you.
Dr Evil is hysterical. I love those speeches!

You must be having a bad night. Why don't you take the rest of the night off.
Hock

Yea, he is a really funny guy. Here is a quote from Kieth,,,,,, "Through Blood, Sweat, & Tears I know what works not because I have read about it, but because I have lived it." My question is lived what? Hanging out at the gym?

Have you seen this website? http://www.mma4sacramento.com/about_us.html (http://www.mma4sacramento.com/about_us.html)

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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 12:41:55 AM
Bryan-take a break man-every one gets razzed on the forum at one time or another-
even me the old white wolf (with no certificate) ;D ;D
When i get razzed or even worse i just call the grand master of the wolf clan and he says to me-  Look-wolfie- you is a Jersey boy who grew up getting your ass kicked and kicking some also-now you is  72 -still breathing and panting when it gets hot like a wolfie should-and  wolfie you need another tatoo-quickly- which i fully intend to do.........and with that i will say to you and all reading this -
Goodnight Chesty- whereever you are-semper fucking fi...
WW (ELB) speed of light

I'm not razzed at all,,,,,,,, no worries,,,,,
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 01:17:57 AM
I awoke one morning to the sounds of shouting up on deck. I crawled from the comfort of my small dog bed in the Captain's quarters and looked out a port hole to see a mutiny in progress. Cpt. Rash was tied to a barrel of crude oil and pushed over the side. I new that without the protection of the captain, I would be next...or worse.

Grabbing my cat o nine tails I stole out one of the port windows and jumped over the side and swam to shore. Swimming through Ivey waters for what seemed like hours, I arrived on shore, where I collapsed and was found many hours later by a North Korean woman. Yes...Ashtowan/Kithe/Keith had made his way to the DPRK.

More to come.......
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Post by: Kentbob on October 10, 2010, 02:33:22 AM
I would like to say that I laughed my ass off.  Starting with Bryan's post implying that he is a BAMF, and then even more with Keith's post....maybe this should get moved to Arnold's Bus?

Seriously...funny stuff to read after a good night at the bar.

Kent
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 02:34:06 AM
LOL!

I'm just fuckin' with you Bryan. I did answer your questions, though.

Have I fought in a ring? Yes. Have I fought in the street? Yes. Did I win or lose? Both.

Had quite a few fights growing up, as I was the skinny nerdy kid and had to defend my self. As an adult, I've walked away from more than my fair share. Had a few amateur kickboxing matches...just local stuff, and I never did too good. Worked security a few times, and decided it was a dick job, cleaning up empties and mopping the bathroom after work was not that glamorous (it sure ain't "Roadhouse"). But I do train and spar with Professional and Amateur MMA fighters every day. What I am able to do is limited, these days due to a heart problem...but I can hold my own with them until their conditioning takes over. They know this, and I think they might take it easy on "The Old Man" sometimes...but at least they make me feel like they are trying to beat me.

As far as my grappling skills go...I have 3 NAGA Gold Medal Winners (one repeat winner) on my Fight Team. Imagine what we could do if we knew Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!

But, back to business. Who wants to hear the continuing Chronicles of Milldog?

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Post by: whitewolf on October 10, 2010, 04:31:51 AM
Keith-i looked at your web site- sounds great-one thought though- you look almost as old as me- ;D-anyhow-continued good fortune with your scjhool and students-ww
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 10:51:08 AM
LOL!

I'm just fuckin' with you Bryan. I did answer your questions, though.

Have I fought in a ring? Yes. Have I fought in the street? Yes. Did I win or lose? Both.

Had quite a few fights growing up, as I was the skinny nerdy kid and had to defend my self. As an adult, I've walked away from more than my fair share. Had a few amateur kickboxing matches...just local stuff, and I never did too good. Worked security a few times, and decided it was a dick job, cleaning up empties and mopping the bathroom after work was not that glamorous (it sure ain't "Roadhouse"). But I do train and spar with Professional and Amateur MMA fighters every day. What I am able to do is limited, these days due to a heart problem...but I can hold my own with them until their conditioning takes over. They know this, and I think they might take it easy on "The Old Man" sometimes...but at least they make me feel like they are trying to beat me.

As far as my grappling skills go...I have 3 NAGA Gold Medal Winners (one repeat winner) on my Fight Team. Imagine what we could do if we knew Brazilian Jiu Jitsu!

But, back to business. Who wants to hear the continuing Chronicles of Milldog?



Good enough, I was just curious about your background,,,,,,,,,,, The bio on your website seems over the top to me but then again I'm not the potential customer your marketing to. It may be in your best interest to hire a professional writer or even ask Hock to write a bio for you.

About BJJ, Are you familiar with USA Jiu Jitsu? http://www.usajj.com/ (http://www.usajj.com/)
They have all kinds of stuff going on, maybe something there for you.


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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 11:12:05 AM
I would like to say that I laughed my ass off.  Starting with Bryan's post implying that he is a BAMF, and then even more with Keith's post....maybe this should get moved to Arnold's Bus?

Seriously...funny stuff to read after a good night at the bar.

Kent

Your the one who asked me about my background,,,,,, Its not like I give a fuck if your impressed or not.

Seriously... are you as big a pussy in real life as you are on the internet,,,,,,,,,, ROTFLMMFAF
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Post by: JimH on October 10, 2010, 11:13:40 AM
Being on board the USS Arizona in the 1920's does not have anything to do with being on the USS Arizona on Dec 7,1942.

Being on the USS Arizona in 1920 was like being on any other Battle ship in peace time.

While your grandfather had an exciting life ,what does it have to do with you,aside from he made you into a person who could negotiate the woods?

I like the Lineage to WWII combatives because your Grand Father was in the Navy in the Pacific in the 1920's.
Was he working with Fairbairn in the 1926 when Fairbairn started to develop tactics for what was the Chinese version of a SWAT team ?

WWII combatives were developed for use with the British,Canadian and US Militaries, Commando and Rangers in WWII,1940's,so claiming some kind of lineage to it is hard to do with some one in the Navy in China in the 1920's.
Nice try though.

Other than Bouncing in a Tough Bar in Florida and some bar/street fights in Asia,some hunting skills from grandad,what makes you an expert ?
A white belt in Judo ?
Before you self admitted Zero skills ,just some bits and pieces ,and now you have a Bio with a History and lineage,lol.

As I have said before Put up your skills.
Put up Combinations used in your training,don't tell us about Grandad being a Bad Ass sailor.

My Grandad was Tough and  he showed me some Hunting skills and now I am Tough ,LOL,LOL

Again you are back on here spewing your BS about nothing as you know nothing and contribute nothing to any Martial forum.

At leats Keith and Kent put up their method of training.

I asked you before to put up a skill and you said you relied on Bitting the Achillies,and then defended its use,yet you try to run down  Keith who has training ,skill and experience ?

Another thread screwed because ole Bryan is back,lol.

Keith that is some funny stuff.
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 11:58:41 AM
Keith--one thought though- you look almost as old as me-

Good clean living, WW. Now go run along and fuck yourself.  ;D
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 12:22:44 PM
Good enough, I was just curious about your background.

Cool, let's squash it then. I was just having a little fun at your expense...no hard feelings?

I am curious however about your own training lineage. I hope you would take the time to answer the following. Short answers are fine...yes or no. I don't need you to go into detail.

1. Do you have any Black Belts?
2. What prominent/named instructors have you trained with?
3. Do you have an certificates of completion for any martial courses?
4. If so, in what system?
5. Other than street fighting and training with your grandfather...what else could you produce to show expertise in the martial arts?

Once again, this is not meant as a witch hunt. I simply would like to know where we stand on one another. I told my story...some of it verifiable and some not so verifiable. However, I do have a paper trail of my accomplishments in the martial arts. Just curious about your accomplishments.

Thanks, 

Ashtowan
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Post by: Kentbob on October 10, 2010, 12:55:15 PM
Reckon I'll answer the question here.

Green belt Traditional Korean Hapkido

Done Judo off and on for the last 15 years, never enough to gain rank but enough to learn the mechanics of the throws like Osoto Gari and Ippon Sei Nagei (forgive my spelling)

Boxed in the Army in a couple of boxing smokers.

Army Combatives Level 1 certified, plus some training in the pre-Larsen H2H system.

Advanced UC, Level 5 Knife/Counterknife/Level 5 Impact Weapons/Level 3 Firearms/Level 3 PAC under Hock and Guru Halleck.

SOME...very little training in JKD.  Not enough that I would claim to teach JKD in any way shape or form.  Been studying FMA as much as I can for the last seven years.

Participated in a few combatives tournaments, which were really grappling tournaments, mostly unit level stuff.

Three combat tours, 1 to Afghanistan, 2 to Iraq, and except for this last one, I did get shot and and blowed up.

Oh, and my grandfather was a machine gun squad leader in the Army in WWII, rank of Staff Sergeant...pity I didn't get to meet him, but I thought it was just as relevant as your grandfather.


Kent
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 03:43:42 PM


JimH, Your still stuck in the same box. The box where anyone that does not have a certificate from a dojo has no skills. The thing that is even more disturbing about your mentality is your collection of weekend certificates you throw up as validation.

Then you respond in a deceptive way to try and confuse readers, maybe you are confused or just do not understand the subject. At times you have shown some clarity with your writing but you have also been dishonest. Go back and read all the nonsense between you and Chuck Hardin when you partnered with him and used his lies about me as a personal attack. Now he has been kicked off the Bullshido website for being a fraud and liar.

Being on board the USS Arizona in the 1920's does not have anything to do with being on the USS Arizona on Dec 7,1942.

This may be the single dumbest thing you have written on this forum. If you believe the American people took the attack on Pearl Harbor personally just think about the sailors that served on the Arizona  prior to the attack. 


Being on the USS Arizona in 1920 was like being on any other Battle ship in peace time.

We are not talking about a bunch of hippies sitting around smoking weed here. This was the Pacific Fleet in the twenty's, there were no pussies on ships back then. Trying to make a comparison of those guys on those ships to the modern era is ridiculous.


While your grandfather had an exciting life ,what does it have to do with you,aside from he made you into a person who could negotiate the woods?

I had complete access to my grandfather, he believed it was important to teach me about knives and guns, how to defend myself, how to kill men if it was necessary. He did much of it by teaching me how to kill animals, how to finish off wounded game, how to cut up animals, all practical ways to teach real skills.

I like the Lineage to WWII combatives because your Grand Father was in the Navy in the Pacific in the 1920's.

My grandfather reenlisted in 1942. My understanding is he was acting as a officer but its unclear. He was a Navy Chief during WW2 and I have records confirming he was Shore Patrol in both New Orleans and Galveston. He was a Navy Chief on a convoy from New York to Africa and was at Oran Arzew. Its my belief you are completely ignorant of the subject matter.

Was he working with Fairbairn in the 1926 when Fairbairn started to develop tactics for what was the Chinese version of a SWAT team ?

Its my understanding my grandfather spent months in China in the twenty's but its unclear exactly how much time he was there.


WWII combatives were developed for use with the British,Canadian and US Militaries, Commando and Rangers in WWII,1940's,so claiming some kind of lineage to it is hard to do with some one in the Navy in China in the 1920's.
Nice try though.

 My grandfather was there in the twenty's, he was a Navy Chief in WW2. He made his own double edged dagger for WW2. I now have the knife in my possession and its being considered by 2 museums to be displayed.  I have documents to prove him and blade were in North Africa. I cannot prove he killed anyone with the knife but its my understanding and belief he did.


Other than Bouncing in a Tough Bar in Florida and some bar/street fights in Asia,some hunting skills from grandad,what makes you an expert ?
A white belt in Judo ?

I disagree with your interpretation and description of my skills. You don't know me, have never even been in a room with me.

Before you self admitted Zero skills ,just some bits and pieces ,and now you have a Bio with a History and lineage,lol.

I dont have any belts and I never bothered with certificates. I have told Hock stuff in private emails in the past that was never made public. The things about my grandfather took time to research so I had documents, not stories. After having my wife called a whore and all the other bullshit that got started by Bullshido I waited till I was here in America, had the knife in my hands, and had documents before I made any public statement regarding him and his history.

As I have said before Put up your skills.
Put up Combinations used in your training,don't tell us about Grandad being a Bad Ass sailor.

Thats the good thing about being back in America. At some point I will meet some of the people on the forum and they can decide for themselves if I have valid skills.


My Grandad was Tough and  he showed me some Hunting skills and now I am Tough ,LOL,LOL

My opinion about you is the same today as it was a year ago.


Again you are back on here spewing your BS about nothing as you know nothing and contribute nothing to any Martial forum.

You're right, I'm not a martial artist and I don't hang out playing/typing martial arts.


At leats Keith and Kent put up their method of training.
Whatever,

I asked you before to put up a skill and you said you relied on Bitting the Achillies,and then defended its use,yet you try to run down  Keith who has training ,skill and experience ?
You have taken one comment about attacking the Achilles Tendon, misunderstood what was stated, then never shut up about it. Attacking the Achilles is a situational and valid attack. If you dont believe that I don't care, keep writing about it and I will keep saying its a valid attack, its not anyone's first choice but it is valid.

I asked some questions, Kent is a jack ass, whats the big deal?

Another thread screwed because ole Bryan is back,lol.

Keith that is some funny stuff.

Maybe its fucked because you are ate the fuck up. You're the jack wagon that sent ass kissing letters to Jim Wagner and ended up being listed as a certified instructor with him.
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 04:19:27 PM
Good enough, I was just curious about your background.

Cool, let's squash it then. I was just having a little fun at your expense...no hard feelings?

I am curious however about your own training lineage. I hope you would take the time to answer the following. Short answers are fine...yes or no. I don't need you to go into detail.

1. Do you have any Black Belts?
2. What prominent/named instructors have you trained with?
3. Do you have an certificates of completion for any martial courses?
4. If so, in what system?
5. Other than street fighting and training with your grandfather...what else could you produce to show expertise in the martial arts?

Once again, this is not meant as a witch hunt. I simply would like to know where we stand on one another. I told my story...some of it verifiable and some not so verifiable. However, I do have a paper trail of my accomplishments in the martial arts. Just curious about your accomplishments.

Thanks, 

Ashtowan

1. No Belts,
2. Nobody you ever heard of.
3. No,
4. Not applicable,
5. At this point its probably best to just meet some people from the forum so anyone interested can get their own opinion in real time.

Ive had an adventurous life and done a bunch of crazy things. The life I lived put me in some dangerous situations, a few times I had to fight for my life and I'm still around to tell the stories when I choose to tell them. None of it is a big deal to me, just a couple days ago I was talking to a old friend about Alaska. I don't even bother telling people that stuff because it sounds so crazy most believe none of it ever happened. I'm cool if people believe me or not, the single thing that ever pissed me off while I was in Asia was the personal attacks some people made on my wife, that was nobody from this forum. As far as I'm concerned me and you are cool, hopefully I will get to take one of Hocks knife classes and meet a few folks,,,,,,,,,,, even Arnold,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Kentbob on October 10, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
I personally don't think you have the courage to meet any of us in a training environment, or any other environments unless it's...what's the phrase..."a secured military compound"?

But if you do make it to a seminar, I'll retract that statement.

Kent
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 05:10:32 PM
Good enough, I was just curious about your background.

Cool, let's squash it then. I was just having a little fun at your expense...no hard feelings?

I am curious however about your own training lineage. I hope you would take the time to answer the following. Short answers are fine...yes or no. I don't need you to go into detail.

1. Do you have any Black Belts?
2. What prominent/named instructors have you trained with?
3. Do you have an certificates of completion for any martial courses?
4. If so, in what system?
5. Other than street fighting and training with your grandfather...what else could you produce to show expertise in the martial arts?

Once again, this is not meant as a witch hunt. I simply would like to know where we stand on one another. I told my story...some of it verifiable and some not so verifiable. However, I do have a paper trail of my accomplishments in the martial arts. Just curious about your accomplishments.

Thanks, 

Ashtowan

1. No Belts,
2. Nobody you ever heard of.
3. No,
4. Not applicable,
5. At this point its probably best to just meet some people from the forum so anyone interested can get their own opinion in real time.

Ive had an adventurous life and done a bunch of crazy things. The life I lived put me in some dangerous situations, a few times I had to fight for my life and I'm still around to tell the stories when I choose to tell them. None of it is a big deal to me, just a couple days ago I was talking to a old friend about Alaska. I don't even bother telling people that stuff because it sounds so crazy most believe none of it ever happened. I'm cool if people believe me or not, the single thing that ever pissed me off while I was in Asia was the personal attacks some people made on my wife, that was nobody from this forum. As far as I'm concerned me and you are cool, hopefully I will get to take one of Hocks knife classes and meet a few folks,,,,,,,,,,, even Arnold,,,,,,,,

O.K. man, you answered my questions. For that I thank you.

I'm wondering if you would allow me to indulge a bit on something. This is by no means a personal attack...let's call it an observation. I would bet good money, your hat, and your house cat that this observation is made quite frequently by many of the members of this forum.

Bryan, many (not all) of the forum members that participate in discussions here at Hock's Combat Forum have some type of direct lineage to training systems. These can be varied, from Black Belts and Instructorships to Military Training...but as I stated earlier; "there's a paper trail". This paper trail makes those speaking about such topics as striking combinations "experts", if you will, in their field.

This is the same type of Credentials that would get you called in to a court case as an "expert witness". It doesn't mean that people without these credentials don't know what they are doing. It just means that they cannot be expected to speak as an "Authority" on the subjects being discussed, because they have no proof of knowledge...only heresay.

In other words, if you were going to go on a Cathode Ray Tube Technician forum and debate the intricacies of that subject...I would expect you to have some type of formal schooling in CRT Tech before you chimed in. I would never presume to do so, and I don't think you would advise me to either.

I guess it comes down to this. Bryan, you may very well be a bad muther fucker...but we can't quantify it. It's sounds like you have quite a past! You have no direct lineage to any formal training systems, so therefore your actual background can not be verified. And like I said...that doesn't mean you can't do the things you say you can...we just can't prove it.

When you debate topics on this forum and call out people who have proven themselves through verifiable training or combat, it really leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. It's basically because, you have no authority to speak on any of these subjects. You have not put in the time training within a verifiable system to make yourself a "expert witness".

You personally said, "At this point its probably best to just meet some people from the forum so anyone interested can get their own opinion in real time." So I tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm extending the Olive Branch...Gonna be a better man.

I am hosting Hock at my school on November 13th-14th, 2010. If you can get yourself there...I will allow you to train the whole weekend for free. If you come down, be a good guy, and prove yourself to be competent...I will personally vouch for your skills here on this forum. I will also personally invite any other Regional Instructors to come down and also verify you skill sets.

I'll even go one further than that. Go on Hock's shop site. Buy levels 1-3 of the Unarmed Combatives DVDs. Work it with a partner for the month and a half prior to the seminar. If you can come in and show that you have a working knowledge of the material, and can teach it.......I'll personally make you a Level 3 Basic Instructor.

How's that?
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Post by: whitewolf on October 10, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
go get um Keith- WW
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 05:38:17 PM
go get um Keith- WW
Now, now....this is a legit offer. It's one time only, though.

The seminar would cost $200 for the weekend. Three levels of rank certification...$40 each, or $120. Basic Instructorship $150. That's about $500 worth of training for free!

And it's legit. We're not gonna lure him out to the parking lot for a GI party...legit offer, legit training.
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Post by: whitewolf on October 10, 2010, 06:27:44 PM
Keith- If i could i would take you up on that offer-would love to train and learn more . As for Bryon maybe he will take you up on that.
One never knows.
WW
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 06:28:52 PM
Kieth, I agree with you. Because I was in Thailand and not America I was in a very difficult position as far as defending my background when I came under personal attack. I would love to come to California but do not have the time to travel that far. If I'm lucky I will get to one of the classes in Arkansas, Texas, maybe over to Tennessee to see Whitewolf. Maybe I didn't mention I'm in Little Rock. As far as I know the only place teaching Hocks materials in Arkansas are up in Waldron. You can ask Hock about this, the first time I contacted him it was when he was supposed to come to Thailand and I wanted to take his knife class there. Then things didn't work out for him to come over.

Thanks for the offer and wish I had the time to take you up on it.
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 06:36:41 PM
I personally don't think you have the courage to meet any of us in a training environment, or any other environments unless it's...what's the phrase..."a secured military compound"?

But if you do make it to a seminar, I'll retract that statement.

Kent

I was not aware one needed courage to show up and pay a hundred bucks to take some classes. Online you come across as a complete dickhead but who knows, maybe your OK. How about this, if you ever make it back to Camp and graduate your school I will bring you a knife at your graduation.
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Post by: JimH on October 10, 2010, 06:54:15 PM
Bryan
Your Grandfather served in the 1920's.
On what ship means little.
He ,as a Sailor in the US Navy,has NO Connection to WWII Combatives in the 1920's,
I do not care how many months he was there.
I imagine your Grand father was sad when the USS Arizona sunk,but so were thousands of others who had served on it.

Your Grandfather in WWII ,the 1940's had NOTHING to do with The War that would have put him in contact with WWII Combatives or FAS materials.

Your Lineage to WWII combatives is BS.
(sounds good to the uninformed I bet)

Your Grandfather teaching you hunting,fishing and  being a woodsman have nothing to do with any skill level above any other Father and son,Grandfather and Grandson Teachings on Hunting and fishing.

You were taught how to kill a man through hunting ?
So every Hunter knows how to Kill a Man ,again nothing special,but sounds good.

You have no skills and Zero knowledge  about the martial arts aside from in your dreams as being a trainer and promoter of BS.

You come on and make remarks about what trained and talented True Martial artists do as if you have some skill.
Well Grandad might have taught you about the woods but he didn't teach you crap about fighting as the few remarks you have ever written show.

You  seem to be very much like Wagner in how your story about your grand father is some qualifier to belittle trained men and women.

Me I have been training for over 42 years in Various arts under People I can name that people would know,unlike your "NOBODY you ever heard of " remarks,lol.
 
Keith is offering you your dream ,some rank in something,jump on it,LOL.
If not all you got is Grand Dads legacy to live through.

So you live in Bad Ole Little Rock and Not Ashdown ??
LOL
OK
LOL
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Post by: Hock on October 10, 2010, 07:01:31 PM
"You can ask Hock about this, the first time I contacted him it was when he was supposed to come to Thailand and I wanted to take his knife class there. Then things didn't work out for him to come over."

Yup that's true.

The guys in Waldron are very good guys but their first and true love is Ted Wong JKD.
Meet them? You are doing Ted Wong material first and foremost. I do imagine someday when I am in the area Bryan will come see us.

Little Rock is a very weird place. I have taught there three times since 1996 and have driven through there many times when I lived in TN. and north GA. It is a country-like place but real ...I don't know...kind of country, old school. It doesn't look look like much but when you drive through, but once inside-off the interstate- it is a sprawling kind of place. LOTS of poverty.

I taught units of federal security officers in baton and riot control. They had a tough job at the slums and projects in Little Rock. I drove around with the training organizer one night to get a handle on what they covered and what they did. (I sadly, stupidly, today cannot remember if they were toten' pistols or not back then!?) But it was gang ridden place. Local police underpaid. A mess. Clinton was president then. The people there I met hated him.

Hock

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Post by: Keith Miller on October 10, 2010, 07:44:11 PM
Kieth, I agree with you. Because I was in Thailand and not America I was in a very difficult position as far as defending my background when I came under personal attack. I would love to come to California but do not have the time to travel that far. If I'm lucky I will get to one of the classes in Arkansas, Texas, maybe over to Tennessee to see Whitewolf. Maybe I didn't mention I'm in Little Rock. As far as I know the only place teaching Hocks materials in Arkansas are up in Waldron. You can ask Hock about this, the first time I contacted him it was when he was supposed to come to Thailand and I wanted to take his knife class there. Then things didn't work out for him to come over.

Thanks for the offer and wish I had the time to take you up on it.


Well, the offer stands. If you want to come down, and can show you have a little bit of skill by attending the seminar...I'll tell everybody on this forum. I'm a man of my word.
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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 08:03:46 PM
Bryan
Your Grandfather served in the 1920's.
On what ship means little.
He ,as a Sailor in the US Navy,has NO Connection to WWII Combatives in the 1920's,
I do not care how many months he was there.
I imagine your Grand father was sad when the USS Arizona sunk,but so were thousands of others who had served on it.

Your Grandfather in WWII ,the 1940's had NOTHING to do with The War that would have put him in contact with WWII Combatives or FAS materials.

Your Lineage to WWII combatives is BS.
(sounds good to the uninformed I bet)

Your Grandfather teaching you hunting,fishing and  being a woodsman have nothing to do with any skill level above any other Father and son,Grandfather and Grandson Teachings on Hunting and fishing.

You were taught how to kill a man through hunting ?
So every Hunter knows how to Kill a Man ,again nothing special,but sounds good.

You have no skills and Zero knowledge  about the martial arts aside from in your dreams as being a trainer and promoter of BS.

You come on and make remarks about what trained and talented True Martial artists do as if you have some skill.
Well Grandad might have taught you about the woods but he didn't teach you crap about fighting as the few remarks you have ever written show.

You  seem to be very much like Wagner in how your story about your grand father is some qualifier to belittle trained men and women.

Me I have been training for over 42 years in Various arts under People I can name that people would know,unlike your "NOBODY you ever heard of " remarks,lol.
 
Keith is offering you your dream ,some rank in something,jump on it,LOL.
If not all you got is Grand Dads legacy to live through.

So you live in Bad Ole Little Rock and Not Ashdown ??
LOL
OK
LOL

JimH, You were Special Forces and have 42 years of martial arts training and your a complete dumbass in my book. There is no telling how many people signed up with Jim Wagner because of that dumb shit you wrote praising him while identifying yourself as SF. To me your a fucking disgrace but that's on you. Keep training your martial arts and keep typing, keep pretending you know shit from shinola and most importantly keep telling yourself I give a fuck about you and or anything you write.

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Post by: Bryan on October 10, 2010, 08:07:08 PM
Kieth, I agree with you. Because I was in Thailand and not America I was in a very difficult position as far as defending my background when I came under personal attack. I would love to come to California but do not have the time to travel that far. If I'm lucky I will get to one of the classes in Arkansas, Texas, maybe over to Tennessee to see Whitewolf. Maybe I didn't mention I'm in Little Rock. As far as I know the only place teaching Hocks materials in Arkansas are up in Waldron. You can ask Hock about this, the first time I contacted him it was when he was supposed to come to Thailand and I wanted to take his knife class there. Then things didn't work out for him to come over.

Thanks for the offer and wish I had the time to take you up on it.


Well, the offer stands. If you want to come down, and can show you have a little bit of skill by attending the seminar...I'll tell everybody on this forum. I'm a man of my word.

Kieth, thanks again for the offer. Its a great deal and I would love to do it but cant because your so far away.
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Post by: JimH on October 11, 2010, 08:08:55 AM
Bryan,
How many people signed up for your little club and for your classes in Thailand?
You have less skills than Wagner and yet you do not see yourself as he sees himself.

Again let me be clear:
I have NO PROBLEM with the materials taught to me by Wagner.
The Materials are Basic materials as found in many training centers.
Wagner's use of Realistic/Alive attacks with the Blade were a change for me at that time.

My problem with Wagner as with most of the people teaching with inflated claims is the Lies to get people to come and train and spend a lot of money ,not with the training.
Training ,no matter with who is always a learning experience to me.
Even you Bryan ,defended your teaching with NO REAL TRAINING OR SKILL and you said "I have had No Complaints from those training with me",so even you with NO REAL KNOWLEDGE had people happy with your stuff.

See now you have this BS line that you have lineage to WWII Combatives which is a total lie but you throw it out there.

Even a weekend training with Keith is too much for you.
You want to teach and be GIVEN a title and you have definately tried to wrangle that one from different sources haven't you ?
You want some one to say ,hey you want to teach, here use my school name and then you would be set.

See me ,I put my butt on the Mat and train and have my rankings due to time on the mat not  trying to be GIVEN anything.
Last weekend I put my but on the Mat training at a seminar.
I pay my money and I experience different stuff as often as possible.
I buy the Tapes,DVD's and books and I increase my knowledge across the board.
You on the other hand lived in Thailand and trained in nothing.
You lived TOO FAR to have access to materials you said,LOL.

Please be honest,you want a title or a school name handed to you and you present nothing.
What happened to your project to start a school using a similar array of words to HOCK'S  hand ,stick ,gun or something along those lines.
See you have a problem being told what to do,so long term training is a problem,you want to go right to instructor.
(Similar to JW)

Here is the crime stats for where you live in Ashdown Bryan.
2008 was a big year for crime,at least since 2000,lol.
Murders  1
Rape      2
Robberies 1
Assaults 8
Burglaries 28
Theft 121
Auto theft 12
Arson 2
 

Notorius and BAD ,LOL

Keep Dreaming  on your BAD Self,LOL.
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 11, 2010, 09:19:18 AM
But more about me.....

Did I ever tell you guys how I whipped Batman's ass?

It had to be done....a Grown Man that lives in a cave, wears tights and a cape? He drives around in a convertible with a little boy dressed just like him. He had to go!

I hit him with that same liver shot combo we were talking about earlier.

Went down like a sack of guano.
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Post by: Hock on October 11, 2010, 10:14:00 AM
Remember when Burt "Robin" Ward fought Bruce "Kato" Lee to a tie!

Why are we not studying Ward Kune Do?

Why is there not Ward Kune Do Concepts?

Hock
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 11, 2010, 10:20:12 AM
I have, however seen Robin Doo.
Title: Back to....Same old...
Post by: Bryan on October 11, 2010, 10:40:27 AM


Bryan,
How many people signed up for your little club and for your classes in Thailand?
You have less skills than Wagner and yet you do not see yourself as he sees himself.

Again let me be clear:
I have NO PROBLEM with the materials taught to me by Wagner.
The Materials are Basic materials as found in many training centers.
Wagner's use of Realistic/Alive attacks with the Blade were a change for me at that time.

My problem with Wagner as with most of the people teaching with inflated claims is the Lies to get people to come and train and spend a lot of money ,not with the training.
Training ,no matter with who is always a learning experience to me.
Even you Bryan ,defended your teaching with NO REAL TRAINING OR SKILL and you said "I have had No Complaints from those training with me",so even you with NO REAL KNOWLEDGE had people happy with your stuff.

See now you have this BS line that you have lineage to WWII Combatives which is a total lie but you throw it out there.

Even a weekend training with Keith is too much for you.
You want to teach and be GIVEN a title and you have definately tried to wrangle that one from different sources haven't you ?
You want some one to say ,hey you want to teach, here use my school name and then you would be set.

See me ,I put my butt on the Mat and train and have my rankings due to time on the mat not  trying to be GIVEN anything.
Last weekend I put my but on the Mat training at a seminar.
I pay my money and I experience different stuff as often as possible.
I buy the Tapes,DVD's and books and I increase my knowledge across the board.
You on the other hand lived in Thailand and trained in nothing.
You lived TOO FAR to have access to materials you said,LOL.

Please be honest,you want a title or a school name handed to you and you present nothing.
What happened to your project to start a school using a similar array of words to HOCK'S  hand ,stick ,gun or something along those lines.
See you have a problem being told what to do,so long term training is a problem,you want to go right to instructor.
(Similar to JW)

Here is the crime stats for where you live in Ashdown Bryan.
2008 was a big year for crime,at least since 2000,lol.
Murders  1
Rape      2
Robberies 1
Assaults 8
Burglaries 28
Theft 121
Auto theft 12
Arson 2
 

Notorius and BAD ,LOL

Keep Dreaming  on your BAD Self,LOL.


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Here is the problem with JimH, in his world the internet is real and he is an important guy. He was all buddied up with Jim Wagner getting his "Credentials" till that bunch of nonsense went up in a cloud of smoke. Now he is just another scorned bitch on the net.

In this case JimH takes a small bit of truth, the fact I once had a postal address in Ashdown Arkansas then fabricates that into an entire story updated to 2010. The biggest problem with his latest nonsense is I was only in Ashdown Arkansas for duck season one year back in the nineties, two maybe three months at the most.



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Post by: JimH on October 11, 2010, 06:54:28 PM
Did you also buy a house for Duck season ?
I have the address if you want me to post it.
1256 sq foot trailer home.
Ring a bell ?

AS far as Jim Wagner, I was in the FIRST group he put through his instructors course Aug 2001.
If you look into who had a lot to say about Wagner and brought much of the LIE's to the pages on this site then you will also see that was me.
Read the old posts where people said why am I harping on about Wagner.

The LIES over the materials.
Ripping people off through BS Lie about Titles and qualifications.
(Like you tried bryan,lol)

I was not  interested in ever teaching the JW Reality Based Self Defense course .
I was a 2nd or 3rd Dan in my art of Hapkido,and  a 2nd degree in TKD and a brown Belt level in Aikido at that time.
I took the training to experience the training,period.
I have taken and still take many seminars and many courses  just for the experience.

Bryan ,you would have loved to have JW certification as an Instructor,but it was not free and you had to actually attend and train in it.
(Didn't you try to get into a Jim Webb course Bryan ? Not that at the time you knew he was full of crap right ?,lol)

Bryan,don't you have  a brother Chris,who lives in Little Rock who is into martial arts ,TKD or something ?
Not his Cross fit.
Why not train with him and get some real rank?
OH YEAH you hate Korean arts because you couldn't handle the classes as a teen,lol.
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Post by: Dawg on October 11, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
Now, now....this is a legit offer. It's one time only, though.

The seminar would cost $200 for the weekend. Three levels of rank certification...$40 each, or $120. Basic Instructorship $150. That's about $500 worth of training for free!

And it's legit. We're not gonna lure him out to the parking lot for a GI party...legit offer, legit training.

Milldog,
That's a very generous offer! You win big "Cool Points" in Dawg's book!
(For whatever that's worth. ::))
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Post by: Keith Miller on October 11, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
Milldog,
That's a very generous offer! You win big "Cool Points" in Dawg's book!
(For whatever that's worth. ::))

Well, it's an opportunity for him to clear the air...and kind of obtain some "bonafides", if you will. He would then have the ability to discuss subjects on this forum with a little credibility. I hope he can work it out and attend.

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Post by: JimH on October 11, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
Wow ,so are Bryan's
achilles tendon Bite
(how you end up there to pull it off is another question LOL)
and the
if you are in the middle of a BIG open lot and people come at you  ,you trip the first one
(if in the middle of a Big open lot and people run at you why not run away rather than wait to trip the first one ?)

Credible
or
NOT
or
INCREDIBLE
LOL

Yes this man,Bryan, has training he says,just not with anybody you heard of
( I wonder why ,such great info,lol)
and
He has run several schools and classes on Combatives in Thailand.
sort of Combat sambo in his mind,just not Combat sambo to Sambo People ,lol.
Hey he took a shooting class,just didn't get a certificate,lol.
Maybe this was some of the 1920's Shanghai stuff Grandad taught him,LOL
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Post by: Bryan on October 11, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
Wow ,so are Bryan's
achilles tendon Bite
(how you end up there to pull it off is another question LOL)
and the
if you are in the middle of a BIG open lot and people come at you  ,you trip the first one
(if in the middle of a Big open lot and people run at you why not run away rather than wait to trip the first one ?)

Credible
or
NOT
or
INCREDIBLE
LOL

Yes this man,Bryan, has training he says,just not with anybody you heard of
( I wonder why ,such great info,lol)
and
He has run several schools and classes on Combatives in Thailand.
sort of Combat sambo in his mind,just not Combat sambo to Sambo People ,lol.
Hey he took a shooting class,just didn't get a certificate,lol.
Maybe this was some of the 1920's Shanghai stuff Grandad taught him,LOL

Dude, your such a fucking moron,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Kentbob on October 12, 2010, 12:19:22 AM
What's interesting to me Bryan is that whenever you're backed into a corner by someone using your own words, you can only resort to name calling and personal attacks.


Kent
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Post by: JimH on October 12, 2010, 07:30:12 AM
Wow  Bryan,
You call me a Moron.
You wrote the crap on the achilles bite and the trip the first guy  when a group attacks in an open field,yet you have no problem taking Keith and Kent to task over their use of striking combinations in training ?

What combinations did you post Bryan ?
I must have missed them.
LOL

You ask have they ever done stuff for real and how they train these tactics.
Well how do you train the BS you write ?

I can tell you how you say you have used the achilles bite:
You get into a fight and get your butt knocked to the floor and as you are getting kicked you grab the leg and attempt the bite.

Tell us OH master,Bouncer at a club in Florida ,what was the result of the achilles bite ?
Did the tendon immediately rupture and the attacker drop in pain to the floor ending the fight ?
OR
Did the attacker just pull the leg back and kick you in the head with the other leg ? LOL
Is that how you got one of you MANY Concussions.

You are the moron to have zero knowledge ,question what trained people do and belittle them on a forum as if you are an expert.
Or
Was it done because you have issues with Keith and Kent and wanted to try to make them look bad and appear you know something ,which you don't about martial skills ?
(Hey but you put up Grandad's life story as if it meant crap about you,and your DIRECT LINEAGE TO WWII COMBATIVES,LOL,LOL)

You attack me about my Wagner Certification,but if that was all I had it would still be light years from what you have,which is NOTHING.
You can not debate me on tactics or skills so you resort to names,hey I can take the names and I can use your replies to keep on ripping you apart and still show those who do not know you that you are just a wanna be poser on a forum trying to play someone and some thing you are not, a martial artist,nor are you a teacher of anything of use.
(still talking to Steve Sambo ??? I believe he told you off on this forum didn't he LOL,LOL)

Run along now little white hat cowboy and herd your doggies in your town of 4200 people.
Big City Bad Boy
LOL

See Keith is being kind an offering you a way to have some credibility.

Me , I see you for what you are a Fake ,Poser wanna be,rip off artist,with delusions of greatness,with a BS Past and a forum trouble maker who has nothing to offer but internet conflict.
In other words you are a TROLL who has no credibility and never will have.

I wonder why you did not correct my post on your 1200 + foot trailer home that you claim was a PO Box during duck hunting season ?
BIG CITY COWBOY

LOL
Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: Bryan on October 12, 2010, 10:34:51 AM
What's interesting to me Bryan is that whenever you're backed into a corner by someone using your own words, you can only resort to name calling and personal attacks.


Kent

Kentbob, I'm not backed in a corner, just bored with you and JimH.
Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: Bryan on October 12, 2010, 10:43:04 AM
Wow  Bryan,
You call me a Moron.
You wrote the crap on the achilles bite and the trip the first guy  when a group attacks in an open field,yet you have no problem taking Keith and Kent to task over their use of striking combinations in training ?

What combinations did you post Bryan ?
I must have missed them.
LOL

You ask have they ever done stuff for real and how they train these tactics.
Well how do you train the BS you write ?

I can tell you how you say you have used the achilles bite:
You get into a fight and get your butt knocked to the floor and as you are getting kicked you grab the leg and attempt the bite.

Tell us OH master,Bouncer at a club in Florida ,what was the result of the achilles bite ?
Did the tendon immediately rupture and the attacker drop in pain to the floor ending the fight ?
OR
Did the attacker just pull the leg back and kick you in the head with the other leg ? LOL
Is that how you got one of you MANY Concussions.

You are the moron to have zero knowledge ,question what trained people do and belittle them on a forum as if you are an expert.
Or
Was it done because you have issues with Keith and Kent and wanted to try to make them look bad and appear you know something ,which you don't about martial skills ?
(Hey but you put up Grandad's life story as if it meant crap about you,and your DIRECT LINEAGE TO WWII COMBATIVES,LOL,LOL)

You attack me about my Wagner Certification,but if that was all I had it would still be light years from what you have,which is NOTHING.
You can not debate me on tactics or skills so you resort to names,hey I can take the names and I can use your replies to keep on ripping you apart and still show those who do not know you that you are just a wanna be poser on a forum trying to play someone and some thing you are not, a martial artist,nor are you a teacher of anything of use.
(still talking to Steve Sambo ??? I believe he told you off on this forum didn't he LOL,LOL)

Run along now little white hat cowboy and herd your doggies in your town of 4200 people.
Big City Bad Boy
LOL

See Keith is being kind an offering you a way to have some credibility.

Me , I see you for what you are a Fake ,Poser wanna be,rip off artist,with delusions of greatness,with a BS Past and a forum trouble maker who has nothing to offer but internet conflict.
In other words you are a TROLL who has no credibility and never will have.

I wonder why you did not correct my post on your 1200 + foot trailer home that you claim was a PO Box during duck hunting season ?
BIG CITY COWBOY

LOL

I see the blood running down the insides of your legs from your writing but I cant see from here if your pussy is bleeding or your ass is hurt,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: Dawg on October 12, 2010, 11:28:47 AM
Keith,
More "Chronicles of Milldog", please; it's the only thing that will save this thread.

Best line to date (IMO):
"There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it."
ROFLMAO

You're boasting of a shorn scrotum and then you put a whuppin' on Batman for his tights? That just doesn't seem right. ???

O.K., the Big Kahuna gets points for the Dr. Evil link, too.

So, if you want me to call you "Ashtowan", I'm going to have to hear the whole story.

That's only fair. ;)
Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: Keith Miller on October 12, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
More "Chronicles of Milldog" coming later today.

We left our unwilling adventurer in North Korea...what will happen next?
Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: JimH on October 12, 2010, 01:31:33 PM
Cowboy Bryan,
Tired of getting his nose rubbed in his Horse Sh**
No
Tired of Getting his nose rubbed in his Bull Sh**

Go read more about Grandad's records and put his life up as yours,lol.
(Loser)

Keith and Kent put up their brief martial bio's and you put up your grandad's ,LOL,what a Fing loser.LOL

Now Ride off into the sun set Broke Back Boy

LOL


Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: arnold on October 12, 2010, 05:18:58 PM
I'm still stuck on the "meat helmet".
Oh, and I've got you all beat in this lineage crap. I've been beaten on by every grand master from here to hell and gone. ( not the one in Arkansas).Plus, I've taken 3 years of instruction at Rawhides Dance Emporium.
Now top that! Hah! You're all worthless and weak. Now drop and give me twenty.
Bryan can just drop.... off a 3 story building! :P
Title: Re: Back to....Same old...
Post by: Keith Miller on October 12, 2010, 07:21:02 PM
Here is a former member of this forum modeling a meat helmet made back in Jolly "Ole.

(http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/meatheadhelmet.jpg)
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