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General Category => Unarmed Combatives => Topic started by: sarguy on July 28, 2011, 11:16:25 PM

Title: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: sarguy on July 28, 2011, 11:16:25 PM
Just an odd, if not stupid, question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs. I was wondering how closely the levels meshed with Hock's UC levels. Some? A lot? Not really at all? I guess I'm just curious if the progressions are at all similar.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Hock on July 30, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
Not really at all.
They are their own unique thing.

Hock
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: sarguy on July 30, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
Gotcha, thanks.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Kentbob on July 30, 2011, 07:40:55 PM
I didn't think that was stupid at all.  Heck, the idea didn't even occur to me.  They are their own unique thing, but if you look for it, you can see ways to integrate the two approaches. 

Guro Halleck and I talked about it once, and CQC is about stripping everything to it's essence, and Guro Halleck's material, in my opinion, fleshes out the skeleton.

Kent
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: grlaun on July 30, 2011, 08:07:29 PM
and gives that Filipino/Indonesian flavor to the movements.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: sarguy on July 30, 2011, 09:27:00 PM
and gives that Filipino/Indonesian flavor to the movements.
Thanks to both of you for the replies. I'd have to admit that I see  something inherently badass about that filipino/indonesian flavor of movements. While I don't plan on putting aesthetics over function, I am fascinated by FMA in general (which is why I'm diggin' the PAC vids, too).
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: SIGnoramus on July 31, 2011, 04:31:21 AM
While I haven't seen any of Guro Halleck's material, there is no doubt that there's a TON of info in Hock's PAC DVDs. Plus, I believe that the PAC Level 7 DVD features Guro Halleck teaching Sumbrada drills.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Hock on July 31, 2011, 03:56:08 PM
And I don't use use any 1,2,3,4, step patterns to learn kind of thing.

It is almost as though Panatukan assumes that someone has already gone through a comprehensive hand combatives course before they start.

It is really quite different.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Dawg on August 01, 2011, 05:27:47 AM
Although I've only worked on levels one-three of the Panantukan series, I've got to say I'm enjoying training the material. Adds an entirely different dimension to my training, especially with the various entries, drills and footwork patterns. I've introduced several of the drills to my students, and they seem to really enjoy them. The DVD's are well done, and all the techniques are presented in a way that makes it very easy to progress in the system.

But, I'm a freak and I really dig all this stuff! So take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: sarguy on August 01, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
Thanks, Hock and Dawg. I'll definitely be acquiring these in addition to some more of Hock's UC stuff (and anything else I can fit in the budget) when I get some school reimbursement money.
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Ashblaster on September 04, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
I have levels 1-9 of Marc's material, it is very combative and an excellent progression. If you've never done combatives before it would be worth your while to view Hock's material as the skeleton for your own personal style, to be fleshed out by the material of your choosing. For me, Marc's Panantuakn Silat gives me the S.E. Asian flavour I'm looking for, without becoming esoteric. Both instructors are approachable and will answer any questions you have (the info on the DVD's is well explained though, I haven't had any issues).

Wasn't there a big unarmed combatives camp planned for July? Is that still in the works?
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Hock on September 04, 2011, 12:32:27 PM
Probably June, 2012 in Libertyville, IL north of Chicago.

We'll do it all.
Maybe have some guests.

Hock
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Ashblaster on September 04, 2011, 04:33:39 PM
Maybe Jim McCann?
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: Hock on September 04, 2011, 06:40:26 PM
Oh it would be great, BUT...we did a Big 5 seminar in Kansas City a few years back.

I can have 30 to 35 people when alone in KC. So we tried a "Big 5" instructors. WE had to pay 5 people, airfare, hotel, etc and 21 people came! Wha?
I returned a year later alone and we 29 people.

So it is always risky (and expensive) to add instructors.

Hock
Title: Re: Stupid question regarding Guro Halleck's DVDs
Post by: sarguy on September 04, 2011, 07:41:28 PM
The June camp is on my radar for sure!
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