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General Category => Unarmed Combatives => Topic started by: whitewolf on March 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM

Title: pistol takeaway training
Post by: whitewolf on March 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
During a conversation a instructor said the only way one can actually get the true feeling of taking a pistol away is to hold the slide while it is being  fired-he said the person holding the slide will jump at the firing-so by doing this it makes a student more aware????? I never have done this
but have controled a weapon when a Marine was qualifiying and I did not
"jump" -just kept the weapon down range.----Thoughts-WW
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: JimH on March 13, 2012, 03:16:51 PM
those familiar with firarms will probably not jump.
Those unfamiliar,being asked to hold the slide or barrel when the weapon is fired,may jump.
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: Canuk on March 13, 2012, 04:49:17 PM
yup, some will some wont
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: Hock on March 13, 2012, 05:49:50 PM
See 8 October for photos and story about grabbing guns
 
http://www.hockscqc.com/blogs/10-09/index.htm

Hock
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: F. Fuller on March 14, 2012, 08:51:15 AM
After working a lot with Airsoft and Simunitions FX cartridges, I finally worked with a live handgun/ammo with this at this last years Florida High Liability Trainers conference with a guy named Bank Miller. Miller was a senior Firearms Instructor for the DEA for a while and also ran the Sig Academy.

If the slide was immobilized completely at the area of the rear sight, there was minimal powder leak, even with the overhand postion partially covering the ejection port. It was unnerving and everyone was "You want us to do WHAT?" But the drill worked and we all did it half a dozen times before moving on. I have done quite a bit a gunwork but I would never have tried this out of concern for powder burns and slide pinch. I would not recommend doing this without the supervision of a top notch Tactical firearms instructor.



Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: F. Fuller on March 14, 2012, 08:55:54 AM
And I should elaborate that we were doing this with our own guns, not grabbing someone elses. Dynamic, spontaneous movement would have certainly made it more dangerous, even with muzzle control.
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: whitewolf on March 14, 2012, 01:45:40 PM
all  make good good sense to me-WW
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: JimH on March 14, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
Go to 1:21 of the following
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcioAv0dW7U
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: whitewolf on March 14, 2012, 08:12:22 PM
JimH-thanks-thats what i  have  been told occurs from various people=WW
Title: Re: pistol takeaway training
Post by: szorn on March 23, 2012, 06:31:59 PM
Something to consider...the response will likely be different when performing this skill under the stress of a real firearm assault. The flood of adrenaline can increase focus, decrease pain response, as well as cause auditory exclusion. I have read dozens of cases where the gun discharged in the defender's grip but they weren't aware of it until after the fact. I read one case where the finger of the defender was cut off and lodged in the chamber of the gun during the discharge, causing a jam. The defender didn't realize he was missing the finger until afterwards.

Steve
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