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General Category => Knife Combat => Topic started by: jpmbujutsu on April 09, 2012, 11:39:44 AM

Title: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: jpmbujutsu on April 09, 2012, 11:39:44 AM
How much will your sports training assist you in a real street fight?
First let me say that I'm a big fan of submission wrestling Brazilian ju-jitsu boxing kickboxing submission fighting etc...

But this past weekend during our JKD / CQC class. We had two guys one who is an accomplished Brown Belt in BJJ and college wrestler and another advanced BJJ student attend the class.

The drill was simple. Both fighters were situated in various positions.
Both with knives
One with a knife
Knives & weapons placed throughout the gym.

The purpose of the drill was to fight to the death with the weapons available. To my surprise of the the sports trained fighters were completely dominated by fighters who had absolutely no ground fighting experience and were killed time after time.

They seemed to be stuck in there respective sports training universes and were unable to make the appropriate changes to survive.

Something to think about.
Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: Hock on April 09, 2012, 11:43:08 AM
This has been my experience too, watching free-stylers, quick draw and  ground fight with training knives for over 16 years now.

Yet, BJJ-ers still call me naive for thinking otherwise.

Hock
Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: Adventure on April 09, 2012, 04:01:10 PM
Would be interesting to see some videos on that from your seminar.
Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: whitewolf on April 11, 2012, 10:12:48 AM
Wow -i agree 100%-In our town no one trains on the ground or for that matter standing up against a knife-I am not a expert but working under Hock /Dawg/a kali guy and a former Green Baret VietNam era)-i hope I can overcome what may happen when that blade is shown-what amazes me is that when a real knife comes into play in a drill where the knife is just shown (no stabbing -please) -the student looks at the shiny blade and sort of melts down-put the rubber knife in its place and he comes charging in--------interesting yes??  WW
Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: Hock on April 11, 2012, 03:00:45 PM
A knife training session should have a super soft replica knife. A stouter rubber knife, a dull edge/tip metal knife. The metal trainer should have a mental impact that you are talking about.

A good instructor will use each tool and the workout requires.

Hock
Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: Greg Walker on July 23, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
During Full Contact Magazine days I trained with Erik Remmen up in Olympia, Washington.  Erik was primarily a HWD guy but had developed a knife course using Spyderco Delicas.  A portion of the class, using Spyderco training knives (Delicas), took place on the ground. 

Yes, it was very educational and we reported on it in FC (August 1994, I believe). 

Also interviewed Rickson Gracie in a later issue.  When he offered what his favorite technique was he replied "My SIG 220."  Rickson offered if you ended up on the street (ground) it was ultra critical to immediately tear/rip/break anything you could and get back to your feet, period.

Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: VicMackey on July 23, 2012, 05:46:53 PM
During Full Contact Magazine days I trained with Erik Remmen up in Olympia, Washington.  Erik was primarily a HWD guy but had developed a knife course using Spyderco Delicas.  A portion of the class, using Spyderco training knives (Delicas), took place on the ground. 

Yes, it was very educational and we reported on it in FC (August 1994, I believe). 

Also interviewed Rickson Gracie in a later issue.  When he offered what his favorite technique was he replied "My SIG 220."  Rickson offered if you ended up on the street (ground) it was ultra critical to immediately tear/rip/break anything you could and get back to your feet, period.
I can recall one time at an interview from a magazine article that Rickson Gracie himself stated what he would do if facing w/ multiple opponents. He stated that he would use his .44 Magnum. Wasn't sure if he was joking or meant it.
It used to be in the days where I practiced extensive submission grappling from jujitsu and Filipino wrestling but I only practice only substantial ground techniques just to make me get back on my feet to either retreat or follow up.
Title: Re: Knife Ground Fighting
Post by: whitewolf on July 29, 2012, 03:23:47 AM
I like reviewing older posts-u always pick up on something u  missed-anyway I have  been watching some newer vidios that were put on  my  facebook-it appears that many are training now against multiple stabbing
-my question is--What are some good ways to practise against this type attack?? WW
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