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General Category => Gun Fighting => Topic started by: Keith Miller on June 15, 2012, 08:19:27 PM

Title: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: Keith Miller on June 15, 2012, 08:19:27 PM
Does anyone feel this is a completely unsafe and stupid drill?

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5114/7377278680_7a2337bf48.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64319767@N05/7377278680/)
bjjshoot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64319767@N05/7377278680/) by Keith Miller1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/64319767@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: Hock on June 15, 2012, 09:14:27 PM
Confusing, abstract, dangerous...jeez...JEEZ!
Just shoot the actual man fighting you...WITH SIMS!
This is another example of the thinking disorder inside the gun world.
Hock
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: noload on June 15, 2012, 09:27:17 PM
This is what you get watching too many action movies. Did they say what the goal of the drill is? Can I guess that it's shooting a bad guy in close proximity to the person they're protecting while being beat up by a UFC fighter or maybe he's protecting the guy on top?
 My second guess is they're on their honeymoon when suddenly Mayor Bloomberg bursts into the room to confiscate their 32oz. Slurpees and Cheetos.
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: Hock on June 15, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
I'll bet they are creating some of this "range stress" which is usually too abstract and off the goal.

Hock
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: VicMackey on June 16, 2012, 07:56:11 AM
Confusing, abstract, dangerous...jeez...JEEZ!
Just shoot the actual man fighting you...WITH SIMS!
This is another example of the thinking disorder inside the gun world.
Hock
On top of that, then shoot the other threat. If you have time to get the dead carcass off of you, do it fast.
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: whitewolf on June 16, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
Rediculous to say the least-WW
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: Keith Miller on June 16, 2012, 01:01:08 PM
Well, this is a picture on Avi Nardia's Facebook.

I commented that it was a good way to have a training accident. And that they should get commendations for being galacticly stupid. His response follows.

" ‎Keith Miller thanks for share your opinion :) have you been in training or seen ? or just make opinion by see part ? Do you know what unit its ? Every member is in Counter terror unit more than 15 years and shooting is there way of life...yes its not made for people with No fire arm experiences its NOT made for bigginers , its made for most professional, its nice of you to have opinions but try say it more polite...most when you missing Info and also not understand whts they had to preform in the drill what been the safety regulations to make sure for not accidents , why they need to drill it and so on...Its nice to have opinions at all and think and also have mind BUT when its posted it was not posted to Normal people training and its drills to units that need this kind of skills and yes when you play with fire arm and do also surgical shooting its need skills But Please when you have opinions try first ask or understand as you ma jump with out understand ..."

I then suggested that it would be safer with a training dummy.

" I dont think so Keith BUT you are more than welcome to run your training the way you find out and me the way I find out and take full responsibility 100 % never had any injuries and I cross my 50...Shooting while rappelling and driving and any need as some units need thats why its my Job"
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: noload on June 16, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Ok, this brings up a pet peeve of mine, why show something not for the beginners, especially when it's of higher risk? Yeah I know it's marketing, but it's still a part of the martial arts business that bugs me.
Title: Re: BJJ and Shooting
Post by: JimH on June 16, 2012, 09:32:37 PM
I guess this clip shows some of the part of the training people are missing,according to Avi:
http://www.youtube.com/user/troeserbia

Does this clip really clarify the need for this type of training any more than the photo ?
LOL

Seems to fall under what Hock said above,a form of extreme stress inoculation on the shooting range.
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