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General Category => Gun Fighting => Topic started by: Hock on September 24, 2013, 02:15:01 PM

Title: Shoot for accuracy? or Just A Little of it?
Post by: Hock on September 24, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
Interesting pistol discussion on a discussion pistol here. Shoot for accuracy or just a little bit of accuracy? http://pistol-training.com/archives/8621
Title: Re: Shoot for accuracy? or Just A Little of it?
Post by: rside on October 02, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
It's a crazy way of teaching people to shoot.  There are 2 reasons for shooting center mass: 1) you're more likely to stop the threat  2) people move-and if you're shooting center mass you're more likely to at least hit something.  I disagree with the poster on part B.  If you hit a non-critical area, at least you've caused some damage that can help you win the battle; i.e. win the battles then you win the war.  People move before, during, and after being shot at.  Be smart with your rounds.
Title: Re: Shoot for accuracy? or Just A Little of it?
Post by: Kentbob on October 02, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
I too see people who are super impressed by their and the ability of others to put rounds in a dime sized group.  Who cares?  Whether with a rifle or pistol, tight groups don't win the fight.  6 shots that all hit the lung, or 2 shots in the left lung, 1 in the right, 1 that nicked the aorta, 1 in the liver, and one that misses.  Which bad guy has more damage done to him, overall?
Title: Re: Shoot for accuracy? or Just A Little of it?
Post by: Chuck Burnett on October 07, 2013, 05:17:31 PM
If I can apply fundamental shooting skills to the point of putting my rounds into a tight clusterwhen I choose to, I then have the options of a precise shot if needed or pushing my speed to put a handspan sized burst into my opponent's upper torso or head as rapidly as possible.

If the best I can do in practice is scatter rounds shoulder to shoulder and nuts to eyeballs, I won't do well if the only target I have is an opponents head and gun hand protruding from behind solid cover.

I agree that "combat" accuracy is more of a handspan sized group delivered as fast as possible, and most of my shooting practice reflects that.
If I'm sprinting off the line of attack while shooting one-handed. I'll settle for any center torso hits.
If they're all in a four inch circle, I can go faster.
If I have mostly peripheral hits with some off the target, I need to slow down, refine my visual index, or (most likely) stop "mashing" the trigger.

I do tire of hearing "any hit on the adversary is good enough" as an excuse for sloppy and unfocused shooting.

Mastery is simply applying fundamentals at a very high level. If you can't slow down and put bullets exactly where you want them, you have room for improvement.