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Yeager Shooting Controversy
« on: March 31, 2007, 02:26:14 PM »

This is some gossip amongst the security contract business.
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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 02:03:06 PM »

  This stuff with Yeager was pretty heated last year but he came to a agreement with his former employer to pretty much let both of them scurry off the radar. He is pretty much a local hero around where he lives as they pretty much only know the one story, or his story if you wish. He has been quite successful into turning a uneventful year with a tragic ending into enterprise but I'm left quite unimpressed with the film footage Ive seen. He dumps a pallet of ammo into some old cars during a hillbilly drive by in a field in Tennessee with a combination of semi and full auto weapons then takes the guys back to the team room to empty a case of whiskey and take pictures of everybody laying around drunk and calls it operator training. From what I hear anybody showing documented training with him is instantly turned down on contractor jobs for that matter.


  If anything he is the poster boy for why small town cops with overinflated egos and inflamed resumes  should be limited to one Barney Bullet and kept on a leash, not dressed up as a Arab running around Iraq nor building a private sandbox  in the hills of Tennessee for him and his friends to play operator in. In the end him and his group of colleagues including my old friend Gabe Suarez and his Arizona Waterboyz will do more to further damage to Americas fragile gun ownership rights  and bring even further legislation against average guy and gal firearms owners in America through their comic book reality weapons and anti-terrorist training.


 It is and always has been a matter of time till one of their undocumented students pulls a episode on par with Virginia Tech, or at least as morally wrong and indefensible and for that matter who is to say Mr. Seung-Hui Cho the murdering psychopath was not trained by them or someone like them since they purposefully keep no records on such matters nor identify participants in their paranoid mentality ask no questions firearms training? These same guys just a few years ago would have been labeled Militias and grouped with Tim McViegh  and others to be closely watched but they changed their colors a little and redirected their hate a little to get a short time hall pass. I truly believe the media and government agencies will soon be latching back into them as the war continues to go south in Iraq and we have more armed against unarmed citizen shootings inside America.

 In the end Mr. Yeager was sent packing  for being a fuck up only to reinvent himself as a hero in the trailer parks of Tennessee . Wars and hero's are about quiet men who join the Armed Services and can get the job done, not small town Barney cops who cannot even Get Off The Brakes!   If James reads this just let me know by PM, I have a free Get Off The Brakes T-Shirt for him.


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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 02:18:56 PM »

EDINBURGH RISK AND SECURITY MANAGEMENT
 
AFTER ACTION REVIEW
 
OPERATION APOLLO CONTACT BIAP ROAD 20 APRIL 2005
 
BACKGROUND
 
On 20 April 2005 Edinburgh Risk personnel assigned to Operation APOLLO 
(support to the Independent Election Commission of Iraq) were engaged by 
enemy forces on Route IRISH (BIAP Road) during the execution of their duties.
 
Post incident Edinburgh Risk, in keeping with company policy and 
operational SOP’s, conducted a full deliberate review conducted by an 
external assessor of the incident along with corresponding verbal and 
written AAR’s.  The assessor for this review was the Group’s USA Managing 
Director.  He has extensive operational experience in the military and as a 
civilian contactor/ operator.  Having spent August 2003 to December 2004 in 
Baghdad, he is well familiar with the specific challenges posed by the 
insurgency in Iraq.
 
This report is the only official Edinburgh Risk report in regards to the 
incident.
 
AIM
 
The overall aim of this report is to identify friendly and enemy action 
during the contact in order to extract lessons identified that may be 
applicable to current and future operations.
 
INCIDENT
 
Phase 1 - Pre-mission orders:   Prior to the move, during the evening 
Order’s Group 19 April 05, a warning order was issued to members of the 
APOLLO team who would be conducting a road move to BIAP in order to pick up 
operators coming in from rotation.  Instructions were issued in accordance 
with a standard military warning order with additional discussion conducted 
in regards to the teams SOP for dealing with the VBIED/IED threat on Route 
IRISH.  In order to mitigate the threat of IED/VBIED attack the team was in 
the process of instituting a number of SOP’S in regards to the use of new 
operational methods to help mitigate the threat.  The team reviewed video 
footage taken of Route IRISH during previous moves in order to identify 
choke points, danger areas and likely areas of enemy attack.  The team was 
also concerned with blue on blue incidents and stressed the need to be 
prepared to identify themselves as required so as to avoid blue on blue 
with Coalition or other PSC’s operating on Route IRISH.
 
Phase Two- Mission Orders:   On the morning of 20 April 05 the team task 
organized for the days move and met to conduct an Operations Group. The O 
Group was conducted utilizing the standard 5 paragraph Op Order 
format.  All operators were present for the order.  The detail leader, 
Allan Johnson, conducted the O group utilizing video footage, again, to 
identify danger areas and to brief the team’s scheme of maneuver during the 
movement.  Alternatively Simon Merry and Steph Surett briefed with the 
drivers in regards to the route and actions on when approaching danger 
areas, coalition or other PSC call signs.  Orders were conducted from 1100 
hours to 1130 hours. At approximately 1130 hours the team mustered for 
their final inspections and departed for BIAP.
 
Phase Three- Movement:  The team was task organized as follows:
 
Lead/Advance Vehicle consisting of Soft Skin BMW Sedan
James Yeager - Driver
Steph Surette - Vehicle IC
Mark Collen - Rear Gunner (medic)
 
Center/Main Body B6 Armored Mercedes
Driver- Simon Merry
Vehicle IC- Ian Harris (mission 2 IC)
 
Rear/Follow Vehicle consisting of Soft Skin BMW Sedan
 
Driver - Chris Ahmelmen
Vehicle IC – Allan Johnson (overall mission commander)
Rear Gunner - James (Jay) Hunt
 
The team departed through Gate 12 at approximately 1140 after linking in 
with the Ops Room where they dropped off their route and mission card with 
Edinburgh Risk Ops.  The team also contacted the ROC to check on the status 
of Route IRISH and the ROC informed them that the route was open.
 
Team movement was going according to plan until the team reached RV 5.  RV 
5 was assigned as the last foot bridge/flyover heading west just prior to 
the checkpoint leading into BIAP/VICTORY.
 
As the team reached RV5, traffic was coming to a halt and the team was 
halted just beneath or just outside of RV5 with the main body vehicle 
coming to a halt just beneath the foot bridge.  The team was halted at 
approximately 1155 hrs.
 
Traffic to the front was halted due to Coalition Forces closing the road in 
response to an incident on the road.  The team estimates that Coalition 
Forces were located 300-400 meters to the front of their position while 
halted at RV 5.
 
During the halt the team reports that there were approximately 10 local 
national vehicles to their front which cleared the area by either driving 
back down towards traffic and utilizing a slip road to leave the area or by 
crossing the median and traveling down the alternate lane of travel.
 
Al Johnson called for the team to move forward in order to create depth 
between the motorcade and local national vehicles to the rear as well as to 
take them out from under the foot bridge/fly over which was deemed to be a 
threat as it presented a danger area due to the possibility of attack from 
above.
 
The motorcade moved forward approximately 300 meters giving the rear 
gunner, Jay Hunt, in the rear vehicle enough clearance to cover the foot 
bridge with fire if required whilst also allowing the team to cover and 
close the slip road located to the right front of the motorcade so as to 
prevent enemy attack from that location.
 
At this time the three vehicles are spaced at approximately 100 meters 
between vehicles with the motorcade occupying an area estimated to be 
300-400 meters in length from the front vehicle to the rear vehicle.
 
During the halt Al Johnson and Ian Harris discuss crossing the median in 
order to leave an area where they feel they are exposed.  The decision is 
made not to cross the median as they are concerned that the vehicles will 
not clear the obstacle presented by the median.
 
While the team was halted Mark Collen identified a suspect vehicle along 
the slip road to the right flank, north, of the motorcade at a distance of 
approximately 500 meters.  He took the vehicle under surveillance utilizing 
a scope mounted upon his M4.  He observed one local national male in the 
vehicle and noted that the vehicle occupant was not paying the call sign 
any attention and seemed to be concentrating his attention on local 
national traffic halted to the suspect vehicles front.  He assessed that 
the suspect vehicle was not a threat and informed the team accordingly.
 
The team remained static for approximately ten minutes while it waited to 
see if Coalition Forces would open the road. At approximately 1200-1210 Al 
Johnson made the decision to abandon the position and was in the process of 
ordering the team to move when the team came under intense automatic 
weapons fire.
 
Phase Four- Contact:   As stated at approximately 1210 hrs, the APOLLO team 
was engaged with heavy automatic weapons fire which originated from north 
of their position along the slip road bordering Route IRISH.  All three 
vehicles sustained damage and casualties during the initial burst of gun 
fire.  It is assessed that the team was engaged by two or more PKM belt fed 
GPMG firing armor piercing ammunition.  The armored sedan suffered hits 
which would have normally defeated standard ball ammunition.  During the 
initial burst of gun fire the APOLLO team suffered three casualties which 
consisted of Jay Hunt, Chris Ahmlemen, and Steff Surette.  Two of the 
operators Jay Hunt and Steff Surette were wounded in the hip/groin area and 
suffered sever trauma to the femoral artery while Chris Ahmlemen was shot 
in the hip and head with the head wound killing him outright.
 
Upon the initiation of contact the lead vehicle driven by James Yeager 
attempted to drive out of the kill zone and was unsuccessful as Yeager had 
taken the car out of drive placing it in neutral and setting the emergency 
hand brake which prevented him from driving out of the kill zone during the 
opening stages of the contact.  Upon failing to drive “off the X” Yeager, 
Mark Collen and Steff Surette evacuated the vehicle.
Steff Surette at this 
point was already wounded and was located beside the vehicle in the prone 
though he was attempting to remain in the fight.  James Yeager fell to the 
rear of the vehicle in order to return fire and engage enemy 
forces.  According to James Yeager he could not identify enemy forces and 
thus he attempted to suppress the general vicinity of where he suspected 
enemy fire was coming from.  After having fired an estimated half a 
magazine of ammunition out of his M4 Yeager broke contact from the rear of 
his vehicle and maneuvered to the median to the south of the engagement 
area.  Mark Collen also positioned at the rear of the vehicle identified 
enemy forces firing from a white suburban vehicle and engaged the white 
suburban with approximately 100 rounds of 5.56 from his M249 Minimi.  He 
then experienced a stoppage and switched to his M4 with which he continued 
to engage the enemy forces located within the white suburban.  The white 
suburban drove out of sight and at that point Mark Collen provided 
immediate medical care to Steff Surette.
 
Concurrently vehicle two, the armored sedan attempted to first maneuver to 
its front in order to provide cover to vehicle one.  Simon Merry, driver of 
vehicle two, reported that the car was unresponsive as it had suffered 
damage during the initial burst of GPMG fire which caused catastrophic 
damage to the transmission.  Ian Harris, IC of vehicle two, exited the 
vehicle as the vehicle was under heavy fire.  He then maneuvered to the 
front bonnet of vehicle one so as to provide suppressive fire in support of 
the team.  Ian was able to identify enemy forces located within the white 
suburban and fired semi-automatic, well aimed fire into the rear of the 
vehicle.  Ian reported that his fire seemed to be “bouncing off” the rear 
of the vehicle and, upon interviewing other team members who took the 
suburban under fire, they believe that the suburban was armored as their 
fire had little or no effect on the enemy vehicle.  Ian came under severe 
enemy fire whilst he attempted to suppress enemy forces but he continued 
the attempt to win the firefight.  After attempting to move the vehicle 
forward in support of vehicle one Simon Merry attempted to move the vehicle 
to the rear to provide cover for vehicle three but again, the vehicle was 
unresponsive.  Simon Merry then exited the vehicle and positioned himself 
to the rear of the vehicle in order to provide covering fire to vehicle 
three.  Simon in accordance with team SOP’S deployed a smoke grenade to the 
north of the motorcade in order to mask the callsign.
 
Vehicle three occupied by Al Johnson, Chris Ahmlemen, and Jay Hunt was 
engaged as well during the initial burst of GPMG fire with Chris Ahmelmen, 
the driver, being killed - thus the vehicle remained static.  Jay Hunt who 
was hit in the initial burst attempted to evacuate the vehicle and take 
enemy forces under fire but was almost immediately out of the fight due to 
the nature of his wounds.  Al Johnson the vehicle IC evacuated the vehicle 
in order to try and treat Jay Hunt and Chris Ahmlemen.  He moved Jay Hunt 
to a position of cover behind the left front tire of the vehicle and then 
moved to treat Chris Ahmlemen who was by then deceased.  He then returned 
to treat Jay Hunt who was hit in the femoral artery.
 
The initial contact lasted 32 seconds in accordance with the video footage 
taken from a dash mounted camera in vehicle three. Within that 32 seconds 
three operators were combat ineffective due to enemy fire and related 
wounds and all three vehicles were disabled either through mechanical 
failure and/or driver errors and wounds.  All three vehicles were taken 
under fire almost simultaneously which leads to the belief that there was 
more than one enemy element engaging the motorcade though only one enemy 
element was ever identified by the members of the team.  The volume of 
enemy fire and the consistency and accuracy of that fire in relation to a 
callsign that was spread out over three hundred meters indicates either a 
very proficient enemy operator or the presence of more than one GPMG during 
the contact.
 
Enemy forces engaged the motorcade for no more than one minute and ten 
seconds at which point they had evacuated the engagement area.
 
Upon disengagement with enemy forces the team consolidated its position 
with Mark Collen and Al Johnson continuing to provide medical treatment to 
Jay Hunt and Steff Surette while the rest of the team provided 360 degree 
security.
 
Phase Five- Consolidation:   Simon Merry signaled to Coalition Forces (CF) 
who were located three hundred meters to their front (west of the contact 
area) who responded to the signals by approaching the engagement area 
slowly with three Humvees.  Concurrently James Yeager left his position at 
the median and moved to vehicle three in order to provide close in support 
and security to Al Johnson who was still attempting to treat Jay 
Hunt.  While, at the rear of vehicle three, Yeager engaged a local national 
vehicle that was attempting to move into the engagement area from the east 
on Route IRISH.  Believing this to be a possible VBIED, Yeager fired two 
shots into the vehicle at which point the vehicle stopped and did not 
attempt to move any closer into the engagement area.
 
At this point Coalition Forces had reached vehicle one with Ian Harris 
providing them an immediate sit-rep as to the situation while asking for CF 
support in order to evacuate the casualties.  CF took command of the scene 
and instructed Ian Harris to police up team members, equipment and vehicles 
that were mobile and evacuate the scene.  They instructed the team to move 
to Camp VICTORY where CF would evacuate the wounded team members to the 
Camp VICTORY Aid Station.
 
Ian Harris rallied the surviving team members and loaded into vehicle’s 
one, two and three.  Vehicle two was un-serviceable and thus abandoned.  Al 
Johnson stayed with CF forces and was still treating Jay Hunt along with a 
CF medic at this point.  Al Johnson was hit in the buttocks during the 
engagement but continued to remain behind in order to insure that CF 
treated and evacuated the wounded/dead.  Ian Harris evacuated the team with 
vehicles one and three departing for the CASH at Camp VICTORY.
 
During the consolidation and preparation for evacuation a call sign from 
Olive Security approached the motorcade from the east on Route IRISH 
arriving at vehicle three and interfaced with Al Johnson and James 
Yeager.  Olive offered assistance to the team and, due to the fact that CF 
forces had run out of room within their FLA, Olive evacuated the body of 
Chris Ahmlemen along with some team equipment.  Olive proceeded to Camp 
VICTORY meeting Edinburgh Risk call signs at the check point leading into 
BIAP/VICTORY and instructed the team to follow them into VICTORY as they 
had the body and equipment with them.  Al Johnson had been loaded onto the 
CF FLA and moved to the CASH at VICTORY via the CF FLA.  Olive remained 
with the APOLLO team at the CASH and continued their support.  At the CASH, 
Chris Ahmelmen and Jay Hunt were pronounced dead and Steff Surette was 
undergoing treatment during which he died.  Al Johnson continued to stay 
with the casualties until he was ordered by the military to receive 
treatment.  The remaining team members consolidated all equipment and 
personnel and returned to Edinburgh Risk HQ located within the 
International Zone.  Support was provided to the remaining members of the 
call sign for this move by Edinburgh Risk’s Operation Hermes and continued 
support from Olive.
 

 
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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 02:19:54 PM »

  Continuation


SUMMARY
 
Given the nature of the contact, the violence of action executed by a 
capable enemy force and the volume of enemy fire levied upon the team 
during the initiation of the contact, the team responded as well as could 
be expected under the circumstances.  Without doubt, this was a highly 
capable and well rehearsed group of insurgents initiating a deliberate ambush.
 
Retrospectively, the team should not have remained static for a protracted 
period of time in a canalized area such as Route IRISH.  It is 
understandable that the team tried to create depth between themselves and 
local national traffic due to the threat of VBIED on the BIAP 
road.  Inadvertently, this maneuver also resulted in the team unmasking 
from the concealment provided by low profile saloon vehicles within the 
main body of local traffic.  During the debrief the team acknowledged the 
fact that they were static in one location for too long a time however they 
also state that they were in the process of leaving the area when enemy 
contact was initiated – it is possible that the enemy deliberately waited 
for this moment to initiate the contact.
 
Actions during the contact itself were conducted in accordance with the 
team SOP.  The team attempted to drive out of the kill zone but this action 
was precluded due to operator error for vehicle one and mechanical failure 
due to enemy fire with vehicles two and three.  Upon failing to extract by 
vehicle the operators evacuated the vehicles and established a base of fire 
in order to suppress enemy forces so as to then be able to break contact as 
required.  The fact that the team suffered 50 percent casualties in the 
initial volley of fire detracted from their ability to sufficiently 
suppress the enemy thus also negating their ability to then break 
contact.  James Yeager in accordance with the team SOP attempted to break 
contact in the opening stages of the contact yet fire superiority and or 
suppression had at that time not been established.  Ian Harris and Mark 
Collen, each under heavy enemy fire, were the only two individuals during 
the contact who attempted to suppress enemy forces.  Simon Merry was 
continuing to try to maneuver his vehicle to a position of support to 
vehicle one and then two whilst Al Johnson was busily treating multiple 
casualties at his location with vehicle three.  James Yeager was in a 
location at the median where he could not engage enemy forces as he did no 
have a line of fire from his location.  Ian Harris as team 2 IC provided 
leadership to the team through the use of verbal commands and fire control 
while the team leader, Al Johnson attended to the wounded personnel from 
his vehicle.  Ian Harris, with assistance from Coalition Forces and Olive 
Security, consolidated the team and evacuated the area.
 
LESSONS IDENTIFIED
 
Many of the lessons identified are well known but it is worth reiterating them:
 
    * If forced to go static on Route IRISH (or any route for that matter) 
teams need to act in accordance with SOP and immediately evacuate the area.
    * If enemy forces initiate fire it is imperative that the team under 
fire first establish fire superiority prior to breaking contact.  It is 
imperative that team members who have eyes on the enemy call out fire 
direction, distance and description so as to alert other team members to 
the enemy location.  You can not maneuver until you have established an 
aggressive base of fire.
    * Team Leaders should have no additional duties other than that of team 
leader.
    * Crew Served Weapons must be kept running during the course of the 
fight.  If one goes down due to a wounded or killed operator then that 
weapon must be immediately put back into action by another team member.
    * Every move needs to include at a minimum one weapons system utilizing 
7.62 NATO in order to defeat enemy forces employing hard and soft skin 
vehicles.
 
CONCLUSION
 
PSCs have experienced countless attacks on Route IRISH as well as on other 
MSRs within Iraq.  PSCs, while having the ability to defend themselves and 
their clients to a degree, will only be as successful as the conditions 
established by Coalition and Iraqi security forces.  The fact that enemy 
forces can mass and execute operations in the vicinity of Route IRISH as 
well as throughout Iraq is a testament to the current conditions within 
Iraq.  PSCs, in order to operate successfully, must swim in a sea of 
security established by “green army”.  If general security is not 
established by Coalition and Local National security forces to a degree 
that precludes the enemy’s ability to operate in strength across Iraq then 
PSC’S and their clients will continue to become a collateral target of an 
insurgency that operates with impunity.
 
Signed on Original
 
Christopher Farina
Managing Director
Edinburgh Risk and Security Management
ERSM-USA LLC
Reston, Virginia
USA
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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 11:16:39 PM »

I have no idea what happened in Iraq...and I always try and avoid to second guess or armchair quarterback the man on the ground but I will comment on a dubious technique they're teaching in their tactical shooting courses.

One of my guys attended one of their courses and the other weak we were shooting together.  Comes time to do a mag change and he drops the empty mag, manually releases the slide lock, inserts the new mag, and then racks the slide back.

In the same instance I had done the standard drop the old mag, insert new mag, release slide lock and resume firing.

I asked him what (the fook) was he doing it and he said he'd learned this way at Yeager's because they taught him not to trust the slide going forward to strip a new round from the mag.

Whoa bubba...sorry, but to my way of thinking (and I'm prepared to be enlightened) this is made up bullshite designed for no other purpose but to come up with a different way of doing things so I can sell why you should go to my school as opposed to the opposition.

I have never, once, ever, had the slide going forward fail to strip the new round and seat it.  NEVER.  Nor have I ever heard of it happening.  Let's assume for some odd reason it did, that one in a hundred thousand fluke, wouldn't you just tap rack bang and get back in action?

Their answer to a highly improbable problem is to slow the entire process down by dumping the old mag, close the slide, insert the new mag, rack the slide and then continue shooting.  (still doesn't explain why letting the slide go this way as opposed to just letting it close itself is supposed to be any more efficient at stripping the new round)

Thank god, a few weeks later he attended another school (this time to get his tac pistol instructor's certification) and the crusty old marine instructor saw him - and one other hapless Yeager school graduate - perform this nonsense and went off as only crusty old marines can do.  "Put your fucking hands up if you've been to Yeager's.  Jesus H Christ on a stick y'all just stop that fucking shit nonsense right now.  What the fuck is that?  Why would you do that?  Goddamnit, numb nutted jackass crap I've ever seen..." etc.

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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 04:09:46 PM »

I took the pistol course at Tactical Response and that is NOT the way we were taught. During reloads we were taught to grab the slide and pull it back and let it go home, even if it was locked to the rear. Thinking was that IF it the slide did not lock back, you would need to rack it anyway so train to always rack the slide back and release during reload trained you to always do that. At no time were we told to let the slide go on an empty chamber, load magazine, then rack. The class was a decent fundalmental class. Yeager did not teach it, another guy did. This was during the time Yeager was over seas.

It was the same method they taught at Glock's Instructor class.
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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2008, 09:39:24 PM »

"James Yeager's "Seal" talk forum moderator is now taking up new residence space on POW Networks Phonies List."


Dear POW Network,

    Please pass this information along in response to the inquiry regarding Mr. Benjamin "Ben" Thomas and his claims of being a US Navy SEAL. I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. I am one of about a dozen men in America who possess a copy of the SEAL Database, a comprehensive and regularly updated listing of all men who trained and served with the Naval Special Warfare units (SEALs, UDT, NCDU, S&R) from the end of WWII to the present day. I also have access to archival sources who can verify/deny claims of service DURING WWII. As a former US Navy SEAL myself, I am fully familiar with the NSW training program and the standard operating procedures used by the Teams, as well as an in-depth personal knowledge of many of the 'insider' events and incidents which UDT "Frogmen" and SEALs offer as a part of their bona fides.

    My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed free of charge, as a service to the public, and in honor of my SEAL Teammates who gave their lives in service to our nation… men who truly earned the right to the title "US NAVY SEAL" but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.

   The email letter which was sent to Brian Kilmeade (a copy of which you included in your email to the POW Network) contains all of the essential information in this case as it relates to Mr. THOMAS' involvement with the Naval Special Warfare (NSW) community. Mr. THOMAS graduated from BUD/S training with Class 211 and DID complete SEAL Qualification Training (SQT), but did not successfully complete his subsequent probationary period and he was never granted SEAL status by the award of a Naval Enlisted Classification (NEC) code of 5326. Although he completed the basic training program and was briefly assigned to a SEAL Team, he did not pass his final evaluation and transition to 'Operator' status and thus was never officially/formally a SEAL. Any statements by him to the contrary are inaccurate. The author of that email letter to Brian Kilmeade has far more information regarding Mr. THOMAS than is available in the SEAL Database, and I cannot comment regarding the accuracy of the information as it relates to Mr. THOMAS' military career after leaving the NSW community.

    I am including the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE ARCHIVES (NSWA) as an information addressee on this letter in order that they may be made aware of the details of Mr. THOMAS' activities. Thank you for taking the time to bring this matter to our attention, and for your assistance in maintaining the honor and integrity of the US Navy SEAL Teams.


Respectfully,
Steve Robinson
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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 06:01:08 AM »



  Heres the old website that was supposedly taken down in some kind of legal agreement, thats just the grapevine intel though, I do know there were a few lawsuits filed but it seems to all be over but the crying now.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060402200509/http://fuckersm.com/
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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2013, 10:46:54 AM »

Yeager lost his license in a online video rant about "killing a bunch of people."

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http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php/topic,8924.0.html

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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 01:19:32 PM »

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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2013, 07:57:27 AM »

It was announced this April, 2013 that after three months James got his TN. carry license back.

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(by the way, I have absolutely nothing against Yeager. It take all kinds to teach all kinds of guns to all kinds of gun people. I just report the news)

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Re: Yeager Shooting Controversy
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 08:30:13 PM »

Yeager in the olden days, tried my brand of Point Shooting and said that it worked as advertised, but he and fellow shootist did not find it faster or better.

So???

I have no bone to pick with him. He was open and LOUD SPOKEN then, and probably still is.

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As to the Iraq incident, I have a copy of the video of the incident and the AAR. As far as I recall, there was an initial burst of enemy gun fire in which Yeager's passenger was hit in the leg and then proceeded to bleed to death (based on the video and AAR's and car pics showing blood).

Jim didn't/couldn't release the brake or shift/not shift, and bailed, and went across the road to a ditch.

He came back soon after.

Then the incident was over.

My recollection of the events is my recollection of them.

As they say, xxxx happens.

That was in the past. living in it won't change things. And replaying the incident over and over serves no useful purpose in my opinion.

One doesn't have to like it or enjoy it, that was then, this is now.

There are other "big" name instructors ( one or more), who also have shadows in their past.

I have some old e-mails and the like that I can research and bring up this and that to do this and that with.

It results in your own tail chasing that advances nothing but the continuation of the hard feelings caused by it.

And the causing party does not know of or if so, probably enjoys that or most probably doesn't give a damn about t.

Best to let go and move on.
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