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chfroehlich

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Kokkar
« on: September 06, 2007, 10:26:43 AM »

Hello together,

a guy here in Germany (he claims to be an LAPD SWAT Officer) is offering a KOKKAR Seminar with 5 Instructors from different US Special Forces (Navy Seals,Fugitiv Recovery, Dallas Marshall Departement).

He claims that Kokkar Hand to Hand Combat is the  Close Combat System of the Special Forces.

I think I remember an articel in Budo International with Martínez Sesto, who did several Videos about Kokkar with them, in which they reported that Sesto got shoot.

Anybody heard anything about Kokkar??

Greets

Christof
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 01:03:51 PM »

KOKKAR...isn't that the fighting system used by Thundar the Barbarian?
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 03:07:42 PM »

I believe that these people may have demonstrated Kokkar at Seminars for SWAT and SEALs.

Kokkar is not the Official H2H system for any US Military or Police Units,as far as I know.
Kokkar is not the Official H2H system of US Special Forces,US Navy SEALs nor LAPD SWAT.

Many today do one Seminar,One Demo or have one student in one of these units and they claim to train them and that Units have adopted their materials.

Here is Material by the Guy,Ralf ,who is running the German Kokkar Seminars.
Ralf is  Muay Thai guy who is also an Instructor for Kokkar Kempo.

This is kokkar Kempo Germany, the ones running the seminars;
this is their contact page. Note Titles of Special Forces and LAPD then see Spain and Germany as addresses???

might as well study this guys stuff,lol
Thundarr,



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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 04:35:38 PM »

  I notice Ralf doesn't have any cops or military as friends on his myspace? ;D

  What some weirdo whacked out pictures and bizarre music though!  ;D
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 05:43:29 PM »

I've never understood how a professional defensive tactics instructor can have a Myspace page. To me...your professionalism goes right down the crapper. There are too many free websites available out there to go the Myspace route.
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 05:29:25 AM »

Ralf claims to be a Law enforcement officer since 03.2006 and a  LAPD SWAT Officer since 04.2007. This current status is "Reserve".

He got his official Rank to represent the units here in Germany and to get access to military facilities in the US and everywhere else.

He said he can proof that with his dutynumber (is that correct :-[), badge and pass.

Greets

Christof

PS: He told me that he got permission from the US Goverment to show all the badges on his Reference-Page.
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2007, 07:10:32 AM »

On his my space  Ralf does not say a word about being in LAPD SWAT.

Ralf,according to what was just posted became a Police Officer ,I assume in LA right?
03/06,I assume he did a police academy right?
Then a year after he was a member of LAPD he went into SWAT,lol ?
He went into SWAT 04/07 and he is back in Germany as a Reserve officer,5 months later,as of now,waiting for an emergency call up I guess ? lol.

is Ralf a US Citizen?
Did he become a Volunteer/Reserve officer in LA?
No police academy,No SWAT?

NASTA is Not a US Government Organization it is a Group of Trainers from OHIO SWAT.

Most US bases are open so he can go there as anyone can.
He can also go as a Trainer,if invited.

If he had a US government contract to Instruct US Special Operations Units, CIA,FBI and Other agencies,he would not be in Germany running a civilian course and druming up business for his seminars.

If SWAT liked and Used his materials he would be running the seminars in the US.

If the Materials are so good and so Secret we see nothing about them on the web,except for Budo materials,then would German Military,Other Police and Military in Europe be giving ralf and Bindini a contract?

You seem to Want to Believe Ralf and Bindini,if you believe him/them,like the video clips then pay the money and take the Seminar.

Ralf is a muay Thai Guy and does MMA training,sport.

I wonder why it is called Kokkar Kempo???? lol
I imagine it is KARATE

LAPD website tells about how you do the academy then do SEVERAL YEARS on Patrol on the  street before transfering to other units like SWAT:
http://www.joinlapd.com/jobdescriptions.html

LAPD Reserve Officers"Reserve officers are a valuable resource to the department. Our current Reserve Corps of 649 officers is the equivalent of approximately 100 full-time officers, which saves the LAPD approximately $5 million per year," said Mayor Hahn. "Because of difficult budget times, we are unable to hire the police officers we need, but building the reserve ranks will help us make our streets safer."

Types of Reserve Officers

There are four types of Reserve Officers, three of which are required to work a minimum of 32 hours every two deployment periods to remain active. The civilian Specialists have no shift requirement:

1)  Level I Reserve Officers are sworn peace officers who generally wear uniforms, are armed and work primarily patrol assignments. They receive 795 hours of academy training and undergo a year of field training before becoming fully designated as a Level I reserve.
2)  Level II Reserve Officers are sworn peace officers who generally wear uniforms, are armed, and have police officer powers only while on-duty . They can work the same assignments as Level I officers provided they are supervised by a full-time or Level I Reserve Officer. They receive 455 hours of academy training.
3)  Level III Reserve Officers are sworn peace officers who generally wear uniforms, are unarmed and have police officer powers only while on-duty . They receive 205 hours of academy training and work support assignments such as the area desk and assisting detectives in non-tactical situations.
4)  Specialist Reserve Officers are civilian volunteers who possess special skills that benefit the department. Although they receive a brief orientation, they have no specific department training, no police officer powers and do not wear uniforms or carry weapons.

"On a daily basis, and in times of major disaster, Los Angeles Police Department Reserve Corps Officers stand side-by-side sworn LAPD Officers to support police operations," said Zine. "As a Level I Reserve Officer with over 35 years of police experience, my reserve activities remain both challenging and interesting."




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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 10:09:18 AM »

You seem to Want to Believe Ralf and Bindini,if you believe him/them,like the video clips then pay the money and take the Seminar.

Absolutely NO!!!

I doubt everything he claims to be!!

Thats the reason why I ask here in Hock's Forum, because I know that here I'll find answers.

Can you please explain me what NASTA is??

And how about getting permission to show Police and Military Badges an his website?? How can I prove him wrong??

Thanks for your support

Christof
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 10:51:54 AM »

NASTA is a group of former SWAT members from OHIO who formed a Group of trainers.
NASTA is the North American SWAT Training Association

If you are not interested in his materials or training then forget about trying to prove him wrong or a fake,if people do not attend that is enough.

Loads of Fakes teaching loads of stuff,the informed stay away the uninformed go.
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 08:07:08 PM »

JimH-i agree-stay away and keep truckin on with the good guys-i think it mostly boils down to a person or group of persons who want to make a $$ and people to are swayed easily gravitate to  their brand of BS-i guess its part of growing up-whatever  stay  safe  white wolf- oh i almost forgot need directions to  your school in bronx as we may visit jersey in Nov and I could try to get to the othe side of the river at least to meet in NYC and have a beer and talk -stay safe whitewolf
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2007, 07:00:09 AM »


  JimH, I wouldn't be to sure about this guys Muay Thai credentials either. As a matter of fact Muay Thai credentials may be the easiest to get of all since there are so many organizations. If it comes out hes fought at Lumpini a few times I will eat my words but more than likely he spent less than thirty days a camp and got some kind of certificate.

  I pointed out a situation last year where a individual was claiming to be pro Muay Thai fighter and it turns out they until that time had never fought with legal elbows in any fight. How can anyone claim Muay Thai without elbows, PS, I saw a couple great fights last night.

 My dinner just arrived, time to go, steamed fish with lime, cilantro and Thai peppers with a plate of sticky rice, Thai Food again ;D
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 04:03:00 AM »

An how about having a permission for displaying the patches of different units on his webpage??

Best to you

Christof
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 08:04:32 AM »

Anyone can ask any company is they an use their logo/patch, maybe as a link?

But notice on the Koklar webpage there is no link.

But, didn't this Raf go shoot at this Ohio gun range? Take a course there? Then that alone may be enough for the compnay to let them use a logo. In which case they company probably said said, "Sure, use the logo." To them it appears to be good advertising, and no big deal. These are respectable people, probably very use to dealing with respectable people.

Now, I am also getting emails from German police over this. Since I will see them next October in the Police Judo seminar? I guess I will ask NASTA.

Also, the use of the FLETC patch, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center Patch is a big, generic nothing. That is like using US Army basic patch. There is no one one ARMY or FLETC office that lets anyone offiicially use the patch. I mean to say, the organzation is HUGE. FLETC has sereral, huge  training centers around the USA. No one cares to get them in trouble for using such a generic patch.

I have met the FLETC head training director in Georgia, but I hate to bother him because use of this patch is a real joke and just, I think, misleading marketing tool to trick German people. I would not dream up a way to contact just one person in this huge organization of FLETC and ask permission
to use their logo. And even expect a real answer. It is huge.

They sell that FLETC patch in stores. If you have ever trained at one of there centers you can buy one in their souveneer shop. A ball cap and T-shirt too. Maybe even buy one on the internet. FLETC trains thousands and thousands and thousands of officers a year in small, medium and long term courses.
   
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2007, 06:02:12 PM »

This is From NASTA, whom inspected the KOKLAR webpage in question upon my request...and their reply to me.

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Hock,
While we have trained some German Police and Special Forces Personnel, none of them are NASTA Instructors.  Additionally, none of the German personnel that we have been involved with have the name of Reich.

James J. Scanlon
North American SWAT Training Association
nasta@netwalk.com
www.nasta.ws

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2007, 05:32:20 AM »

What does the sentence in German say at the top of that page?

(Yes, that is nothing more than a patch collection to fool viewers)

Hock
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2007, 05:39:29 AM »

The translation is:

These Institutions and    authorities use the system KOKKAR sucessfully.

And he claims to have US Goverment permission to display this patches on his webpage.
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2007, 06:08:22 AM »

Utter Bullshit.
Again, there is no one person or government office where someone would grant permission to use these patches.

Each patch represents many different headquarters, (many aviation? Pilots?) all over the USA. It would be a huge task to even find the one person, in one office that would even bother to "give sych persmission." Least of all check with all of them.

This is being done by a the "international, martial arts con-man, liar" who is hoping no one can possible check this out in a foreign country. Since no one can really go around and "get permission," on all these places, then no one find the permission giver and his con gets to work.

BUT!  You already know that NASTA doesn't even know who this guy is?

This is just a patch collection of a bullshit liar. I woud go so far as to say that this is not even this guy's collection, but ripped off from someone else, possibly someone in American law enforcement Aviation. Maybe even from a webpage.

Feel free to translate and print these talk forum entries here over there.  Invite this guy on to clear his name too.

Hock

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2007, 08:13:32 AM »

No one needs anyones permission,especially not US Government permission, to run a series of Patches.
Show me letters of appreciation from Unit heads on Unit Stationary,stating that they only use this Great Method of Close combat,not patches.

What does it take to claim training a unit?
So many today train a guy,one person, from a unit like the FBI,CIA ,Special Forces,SEALs and they then make public claims they train units,lol.

Former Police Commisioner Bernard Kerik made a claim in a Book that he trained Special Forces in H2H at Ft Bragg.
I had opportunity to meet him and I asked him and he said  he had been an assistant instructor at a Martial arts school just outside of Ft Bragg,NC, and that they had members of Special Forces in the Classes.
Big Difference to me in the meaning of the statements,but not to him nor many like him.

I took the Instructors course under Jim Wagner,the materials were basic and usable,his claims when you talk to him are GREATLY exaggerated,to the uninformed the claims are impressionable and a reason for them to hold the training as presenting Great skills.

Train with people for knowledge growth,not for the stories they tell.

It has been demonstrated that Ralf could not have been on LAPD SWAT just from the timeline of Dates he provided.
Hock has posted a letter saying he,Ralf, is not affiliated with NASTA.

Ralf has been shown to have exaggerated his claims,but many ,many,others do the same thing.
If the Materials were so good,so secret and so useful to the units depicted by use of the patches,the guy would not have time to teach civilians as he would be contracted to be teaching US government agencies and military.

Who cares to verify every patch this guy put up on his page.
He needs NO Permission to post them,he makes no claim to them only LAPD SWAT and Special Operations (he has a SEAL Trident up but nothing from LAPD SWAT) and he has been shown to not have been able to be a member of LAPD SWAT with 1 year claim to service.
One does not enter the LAPD as a member of SWAT.
Also how does he fill his requirements as a Reserve Officer every month? lol

If people think his materials are good try them.

If his claims are a factor in a decision to train with him,then he has been proven to have exaggerated such claims
but
perhaps some may gain something from what he teaches,it depends on what they are looking for and their past experiences.

Forget the Sales Pitches,look at the Materials, look at the feed back from those who have taken the course/s.

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2007, 08:22:42 AM »

He invited me to his seminar for free.
He said he's curious how the "Units" will respond to my person. ;D

Unfortunately I'm teaching at this weekend myself.

He bragged that every Kokkar Instructor is on Active Duty.
Well, he is an Kokkar Instructor, but his profession is piercing.

Isn't that funny??

Christof

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2007, 02:39:55 AM »

News about the German Kokkar Guy Ralf Reich

A germany-born Sergeant with the Department of Corrections contacted NASTA again!!

Here is the answer:

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Sergeant G...,


The short answer is; I have no idea who these guys are! There is a German group that has been advertising with a NASTA logo. They have no association with us at all. I attempted to access some of the KOKKAR web sites, but most of them have been discontinued.



If you have any more information or emails messages from this group, or names of individuals in this group, I would like to see it. They are obviously presenting themselves fraudulently.



Thanks,

Jim Scanlon



James J. Scanlon

North American SWAT Training Association

nasta@netwalk.com

www.nasta.ws


And the Message to the Kokkar guys

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Gentlemen,

This is a message that we sent to the individuals who are using our logo
fraudulently. Hopefully, this will put an end to their misrepresentation.

James J. Scanlon

North American SWAT Training Association





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From: NASTA [mailto:nasta@netwalk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:13 PM
To: ranbandini@aol.com
Cc: nasta@netwalk.com
Subject: [SPAM] NASTA Logo



Sir/Madame,

Stop using the NASTA logo immediately. You do not have any affiliation with
the North American SWAT Training Association (NASTA). You are fraudulently
misrepresenting yourself and your company. Stop using our name and our
registered trade mark immediately. If you do not stop by September 25,
2007 we will be forced to seek legal advice.

:: KOKKAR COMBAT ::

David R. Wood (Owner)
nasta@netwalk.com

Believe it or not, they took of ALMOST everything related to NASTA, except the NASTA-Patch on their Reference-Page
http://www.kokkar.de/menu/referenzen.htm
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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2007, 12:52:25 PM »

I am in Germany now and for an update on this?

Mr Falsey-Pants has taken all his stuff down, but not after claiming he was a reserve LA SWAT officer. Lots of commutes back and forth from from Germany to Los Angeles to fufill Reverse requirments (and that little rule of California residency) I guess!

WHAT a putz!

Hock

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2009, 09:14:48 AM »

Just last week (April, 2009) so sadly, some guy in Los Angeles area emailed me asking about my courses, and also, how could he get in touch with Kokkar -the group that teaches all the Los Angles and California SWAT teams.

The bullshit...never ends...

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 09:32:06 PM »

Remember the lesson of...KOKKARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 06:59:19 PM »

This is one of favorite scams. A guy running classes IN GERMANY, who claims to be on the Los Angeles SWAT team.

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2014, 05:51:26 AM »

This was one of favorite scams. A guy running classes IN GERMANY, who claims to be on the Los Angeles SWAT team.

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Re: Kokkar
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2014, 09:25:36 AM »

As soon as I read his offer that the U.S. Government "gave" him permission to post "his" badges online -

That was enough for me ::)

I always found (and still do) it fun to attend selected seminars simply to see what's going on, have some fun, meet some new people and enjoy the day.

You can always learn something or have something you've learned reinforced.

It's an open market - and "Let the Buyer Beware" holds true.

If nothing else have some fun.

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