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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #90 on: July 31, 2012, 08:28:40 PM »

Together We Served link / Echanis / copy of 2009 Argus=Observer story quoting Ben Plaza -

http://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=EventExt&ID=25950
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #91 on: July 31, 2012, 09:09:06 PM »

Who here remembers Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan? Raise you hand?
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8088.Carlos_Castaneda

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #92 on: July 31, 2012, 10:30:49 PM »

This may explain some of Mr Echanis time and who he trained with.

Mike Echanis had known Shihan Toshiro Nagato ,from Ontario ,Oregon.
Shihan had benn sent there by the Kodokan.
Shihan was also into kick boxing.
Upon his return to Japan he tried his hand at kick boxing to earn money but it did not work,as he was too tall and heavy and needed to drop too much weight to fight well.
Shihan had wanted to study with Hatsumi.
Shihan was invited back to the US By Mike Echanis,who wanted to study with Shihan in hopes of teaching H2H to Special Forces.
Shihan trained Mike Echanis in Judo,Combat Judo and Kick Boxing.
Mike wanted Shihan to come with him down South ,but Shihan did not go,instead he returned to Japan and began his studies with Hatsumi.
Shihan is now a 9th degree under Hatsumi.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2012, 03:37:28 AM »

Who here remembers Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan? Raise you hand?
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8088.Carlos_Castaneda

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I sorta do.  I mean, my dad had some books lying around, and now and then I see the titles pop up.  From what I understand, it was pretty much new age tripe.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2012, 06:01:15 AM »

JimH, that is really interesting information and a great find about Nagato, where did you come across that?

Greg,
I'm really surprised that more folks weren't coming out of the woodwork during the ME peak talking about how he trained with them. Also, what H2H skills did Chuck Sanders have and pass on to ME?

BTW did Jim West serve with Chief O'Neil? You wouldn't think West could kick and move like he does by looking at him.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #95 on: August 01, 2012, 08:43:00 AM »

Jim - that's good, good stuff.  Can you source it for us?  I haven't been in touch with Stephen Hayes for years but I could reach out that way if you think it might help.  Are you in touch with the Hatsumi folks?

I remember the CC craze but did not read any of them.  Knew friends that were really interested at the time.

NL, as you may know and it sounds like you do, there are folks still who shake and shiver when they hear Jim's name.  Mainly those he has a dislike for.  When I last saw him a Bragg he was in fighting shape and had his school.  I talked with him some time after that and he was training fighters for UFC kinda matches.  He's a good man.  I don't know if they served together - I can't help but believe they know each other, though.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #96 on: August 01, 2012, 10:39:05 AM »

He's been located close by a couple of times but I've always missed the opportunity to train with him. The guys who know him have a lot of respect for him. The late 70's and the 80's hold a special interest to me in regards to SF H2H as most of the guys had traditional MA backgrounds and they've often filled in some blanks in my training.

Next question, in one of his videos West makes what seems to be a passing reference to the Hwarang, did he train with Echanis or any HRD people?


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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2012, 12:06:35 PM »

Here is a similar synopsis,not sure if this one mentions that Mike Knew Nagato from when Nagato taught at the University in Ontario,Oregon.

http://www.usadojo.com/biographies/nagato.htm

Shihan Nagato was also a believer in use of contolled psychic power for use in H2H / Self Defense.

Here are some people who knew Mike,trained and worked with him in the Fit to Fight program at Bragg.
http://www.hawkinstaekwondo.com/about.html
This one is retired SF:
http://www.bendellkarate.com/Bendell-Don.htm

Mr Walker,
Here is a potential point of contact,in bujinkai,who might help you if you seek to get in touch with Shihan Nagato.

He is a former Navy Pilot,and retired Sheriff.

Robert Johnson - Shihan Jugodan (15th Degree Black Belt) MWTK Host 2010
Indianapolis Bujinkan Dojo - Indianapolis, IN

Website: http://www.bujinkanindy.com/index.php

Bio:  The founding instructor of Bujinkan Indianapolis Dojo, Shihan Robert F. Johnson is a retired Marion County Deputy Sheriff with 30 years of law enforcement experience. He was the first in Indianapolis to be awarded black belt in Togakure Ryu. Shihan Johnson is the highest ranking Tagukure Ryu Ninpo practitioner in Indiana at Jugodan (15th degree black belt), and was a personal student of the first westerner to be awarded a teaching license in Takure, Steven K. Hayes. Shihan Johnson now trains directly under Soke Hatsumi, and has trained with master instructors Maj. Fumio Manaka and Toshiro Nagato. In addition to Shihan Johnson's rank in the nine schools of the Bujinkan system, he also holds a second degree black belt in Isshinryu Karate, awarded by his personal instructor, Mr. Clarence S. Ewing, seventh Dan. Shihan Johnson is a P.K.C. certified judge, and referee. Shihan Johnson is a decorated U.S. Navy veteran of the Vietnam War. He was assigned to Fighter Squadron 121 Naval Air Station Miramar, California. He's also provided personal protection services for visiting celebraties Sammy Davis Jr., Jayne Kennedy, Michael (Bobby Hill) Warren and others.


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Just for Clarity:
The Jim West spoken of By Mr Walker is Jim West,former member of 7th group,Special forces Retired,not  Jim West Hapkido,under kuk sool,Correct ?

Also

The Choi I spoke of in Earlier posts was Choi Yong Sool of Hapkido,
Not Choi Hong Hi of Shotokan  and then Taekwondo ,General in the North Korean Military.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #98 on: August 01, 2012, 12:39:31 PM »

Mr Walker here is another person with close contact with Mr Echanis,when Mike was working with Navy SEAL's.

The following is taken from Bullshido pages.

Tom Sutherland a former Navy SEAL wrote:

Mike Echanis did in fact instruct Navy SEALs and Underwater Demolition Personal in the early 70's up to the time of his death in 1978. I was one of a small group of individuals that worked out with Mike during this time frame. Most of the UDT/ SEAL Team guys were very proficient with our taught discipline Korean Tae Kwon Do. Most, if not all the guys in this group had attained the rank of 1st to 3 rd degree Black Belt. Many of the Team guys had all attended the airforce Judo school.

Mike had brought to the Teams a new effective discipline of un shin bup or ninjutsu. He basically taught us effective killing techniques in the hand to hand combat arts. I heard the name Jo Bang Lee mentioned several times but nothing ever came out of those conversations. Although, I personally got the idea that there was a conflict between Mike and Jo Bang Lee. Mike was a very effective teacher, extremely demanding, and very tough on the troops. He lived with me as a guest in my home for several months, traveling back and forth from Va Beach and Ft. Bragg N.C.
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Here is a short Bio of Tom to show he is not BSing anyone:
(Not found on Bullshido,seperate verification.)
Tomís Life, (Short Version)Ö Served in the Military, U.S. Army, 82nd Airborne Division, USAPT Golden Knights, (1960-1963). Recruited into the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Community in 1963. Proudly served with Naval Special Warfare Group 2, Underwater - Demolition Team -21 (The Frogmen). Later was selected to serve with SEAL TEAM 2 as a Naval SEAL Special Warfare Operative (SEAL) until 1973 (active Duty) Combat Veteran, Decorated! Retired 0-4 USNR.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #99 on: August 01, 2012, 03:31:16 PM »

Great finds Jim!
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2012, 10:26:34 PM »

Yes, Jim West 7th SFGA.

Great links!

Will indeed follow up regarding Nagato.

This appears to be that all important once missing connection for the 1971 - 1974 time period in MDE's training/studies.  Great stuff.

Sanders was long time student of Judo in Ontario and very accomplished.  Continued studies at U of Oregon and was in their Judo Club.  It will be interesting to see if he studied with Nagato, as well, in Ontario should connecton be solid.

T. Sutherland is independently confirmed.  MDE was contracted to teach as described for ST-2 and Program of Instruction matches what was later taught in NIC.

Soon to be added to Wiki link:

-  MDE worked in NIC for roughly 8 months before his death.  He did not work for President Somoza but was hired/managed by his son, Tacho II.  The belief MDE was directly employed/commanded by President Somoza, or "Tacho I", is most common error in past coverage of this relationship with the Somozas.

-  He was lead for 8-10 man training team, hand-picked by him, to include Sanders and Nuygen.  He would not work with anyone whom he did not 100% trust.  He had complete authority to select whomever he chose and had access to "the best".  None on his team were active duty military.  His employment was not a U.S. GOV contract but solely NIC GOV/MIL (this supported by MDE in his AP interview with Tom Fenton).

-  Echanis was initially identified after recovery of his body by matching tattoos on inner forearms (HWD symbol) and tattoo on shoulder.

-  Hand grenades being thrown from the aircraft were unpinned / placed in glass jars - meant to break on impact with spoons released after the glass shattered.  Belief is a jar was mishandled in the aircraft and broke with the resulting explosion.

-  Echanis described by confirmed Party who knew/worked with him in NIC as "a commando's Commando...exceptionally gifted and talented in his specialty which was killing people...role in NIC at time was training elite Commando in counter-insurgency tactics and techniques, urban warfare, H2H (MDE's program) to include exceptionally close in fighting / sentry removal (stalking, tracking, "invisibility").

MDE also confirmed as extremely patriotic, unflinching and vocal in his hatred of communists, reserved when in NIC other than when he elected to put on a show for visitors (such as Bob Brown at SOF when he visited the country), always shoulder to shoulder with the enlisted troops he was training to include eating with them rather than in the officer's mess and not afraid of getting dirty with them when training / in the field.

Echanis was expressive among close friends at the time regarding his Basque heritage and culture and believed it was a major factor in his ability to endure hardship, suffering and pain.

-  Echanis expressed great sadness and disappointment his military career had been cut short by his wounding.  He felt he'd finally found his calling after entering the Army.  However he did not lament about it but rather sought and created new manner of pursuing his path.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2012, 10:43:39 PM »

Postscript -

"University of Ontario, Oregon" is incorrect.

It is properly known as Eastern Oregon University in Ontario, Oregon.

It is co-located with the community college Chuck Sanders attended before transferring to the University of Oregon and which MDE was planning on attending after high school ... and for which he'd gotten a college grant from the Ontario Basque Club.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2012, 07:44:08 AM »

We are where we are supposed to be due to our parents,friends,likes,dislikes,choices we make and places we find ourselves due to those choices.
Mr Echanis ended up where he was supposed to be.
Had he not been injured,not sought to rebuild himself to be stronger,tougher,and not sought out Martial arts and beliefs that set him up for what he ended up doing and the place he ended up,NO ONE may ever even have known who Micheal D Echanis Was.

Being assigned to a Ranger unit is not what made Mike Echanis.
Mike Echanis was a self created,maybe born, warrior,a man who apparently had good physical skill growing up and maybe even some martial training prior to the Military. His Being in that place,at that time and BEING WOUNDED made the Mike Echanis we know of .
His self recreation ,due to his injury, made the Warrior/Man those of us who read of him wanted to encompass,be like,and maybe become.
Ranger,LRRP ,what ever makes no difference,the event of being wounded drove him to become the man in the Magazines and books.

Had he not been wounded  and become who he did NO ONE would be even speaking of him 34 years after his death.

Every second of every day we make choices,each choice moves us to where we will end up,like Checkers or Chess,choose right and you may make it to the very end and win,choose wrong and get taken out early.

Warhol said that "In the future everyone will have 15 minutes of fame",Mike has had 34 years so far and still going.(Like Bruce Lee he has help in the mags,but he is still thought of and spoken of outside of that) He accomplished much and influenced many,especially the multitudes who read of him whom head never met.
He didn't see his influences but those of us who read his works were influenced.
Go to SOCNET or other Sites for Rangers,Special Forces and Martial arts and if there is a blog on him see how many say they didn't know him but they read his works.
That is INFLUENCE.
That is what Mike did AFTER he Got wounded,After the Military,not while serving.

We should all be so lucky to be remembered 34 years after our deaths,even within our own down line generations of family,lol.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2012, 08:10:43 AM »

Well said Jim. 8)
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #104 on: August 02, 2012, 09:36:03 AM »

Ageed.  Well said and spot on, Jim.

Great to hear Warhol quoted :)

Again, "If he is immortal it is because we want him to be".

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2012, 09:53:47 AM »

JimH,

Were you in the 11th when Keith Idema was?

You mentioned knowing him.

My friend, Jim Morris, wrote a number of pieces on Keith and was great defender of him some years ago when he got into the s**t in Afghanistan.  You may have read some of Jim's work on this.

Just ask'in.

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« Reply #106 on: August 04, 2012, 07:56:58 PM »

Yes ,I knew Keith.
I read a lot of the stuff written about Keith and also defended him.
that was why Keith created his own site to show the truth to the Nay sayers who said he was a wanna be.

As with Mr Echanis,when Keith saw stuff that annoyed him if he thought he could make a difference he jumped on a plane and went.
In regards to Afghanistan,911 happened,Keith was on a plane and in Country working with Northern Allience,working with friendlies as well as  operating in his own world.

Keith's drive caused him problems,but he had the guts to get on a plane and go into the hot spots and do his thing.
(Similarly ,I think ,to mr Echanis)
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« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2012, 08:12:59 PM »

The InterNet is a wonderful thing -

Link will take you to a site featuring two photos of Eden Pastora, in black beret, after the National Palace stand-off and leaving on VENZ C-130 (August 25, 1978) with his folks and released prisoners.

Regarding the documentation Pastora's team dressed itself as "Black Berets" of the Guardia Nationale - the right picture is worth 1000 words.

http://beretandboina.blogspot.com/2010/08/eden-pastora.html
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #108 on: August 05, 2012, 02:08:14 PM »

Chatted with Jim Morris this morning.

He agrees.  He really liked the photo of Idema with Echanis.  "Another thing Jack didn't lie about," he told me :)

Please accept my condolences for the loss of your friend and brother.  I never met him but I learned a great deal about him over the years from folks like Jim.  I knew and met Gary, the producer who was wounded in Afghanistan when Keith was escorting him around the Northern Alliance.  As you know he saved Gary's life using his combat lifesaving skills and experience.

"Six degrees of separation", indeed.
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« Reply #109 on: August 05, 2012, 08:01:10 PM »

Mr Walker,
Thank You ,Mr Morris and Mr Scurka for the condolences and words in support of Mr Idema.

Here is Keith with his "Counter Terrorist Group" early 1980's at Keith's Compound in upstate NY,an early ,smaller version of other groups which came later,like HSS,Executive Outcomes and Blackwater to mention a few names.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?88707-Counter-Terrorist-Group-US

Several pictures of Gary in there ,and the ones of Keith working on him in Afghanistan.

The group was featured on TV a few times.
Keith, and the others he had in the group, had the skills and were ahead of their time.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2012, 05:22:49 PM »

Per the OBIT for Nuygen "Bobby" Van Nuygen, Daily Argus Observer, Ontario, Oregon -

Nuygen Van Nuygen was 32 when he died; he was born in 1946 in Vietnam; he joined Vietnamese Army at age 11 and served 15 years; he immigrated to the US in 1975 and settled in Fayetteville, NC; he soon after became head chef at the Fayetteville Sheraton Hotel; he was one of the highest decorated soldiers in the VIET Army; he was Black Belt rated in Karate.

It can be presumed at this point that he met Echanis/Sanders in probably 1977 and from there was selected by Echanis to join the training team in NIC which deployed in either JAN/FEB of 1978.

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #111 on: August 07, 2012, 09:52:58 AM »

Interesting that Idema and Echanis are somewhat associated. I have to wonder if  both made it as far as they did as a result of the rebuilding process SF was going through at the time?
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« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2012, 10:57:56 AM »

It is interesting.

Really just two more characters in an organization filled with characters beginning in earnest during Vietnam  :)

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« Reply #113 on: August 07, 2012, 12:08:32 PM »

I imagine that was the best time to be involved in SF at Bragg as many were Vietnam Vets and had been out there as LRRPS,MACV,SOG,they had run A camps,trained Indigenous populace,some operational under CIA,they did it all,Recon,Direct Action,Snatch and Grab.
(stuff now dedicated to US Navy SEAL's ,as if they are the only ones capable,lol)

Many of these guys with vietnam experiences left or retired around the mid to late 70's to work in other places of US interest,(or Not). Merc's or early contractors,they went were the combat was.

People like Col Rowe Running SERE with real experiences as a POW.
People Like then Major Howard with experiences all across the board of Elite units leading and Teaching men the realities of combat.
Loads of Great experiences with many returning to teach such as Men from the Son Tay raid,like Sgt/Major Lupiak.

These are the types of men Mr Echanis and Mr Idema encountered,trained under/with and worked with later in their lives.
All kinds of men willing to hang their guts out there for what they thought,or were told,was right.

The men of those times,early Vietnam and later carried out the true traditions of the OSS as defined and taught under Great men Like Col Banks and others.

Mr Echanis and Mr Sanders,along with Mr Brown of SOF and others had experiences and brought those experiences to Nic. (and other crap holes of the world)

Mr Idema found his way to Afghanistan after 9/11 worked with the Northern  Alliance ,trained them,worked with them and did his thing there.

Many of these men had type A personalities and did not work well when back in units state side with rules and conditions,they were rebels with a self defined code  and fit the saying "Break here in case of war",these were those men.
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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #114 on: August 07, 2012, 02:42:04 PM »

It may have been the opposite Jim. From my understanding of what I've read and heard from guys who were in during the late 70's early 80's, that there had been a reduction in the size of SF after Vietnam and a lot of experienced senior guys left. The late 70's was really when SF started to come back up to strength and I believe why there were a few SF babies around that time.
From what I understand when it came to training everything was on the table which resulted in everything from the practical to the strange being allowed to at least demonstrate.

I wasn't there so Greg feel free to correct any inaccuracies.
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« Reply #115 on: August 07, 2012, 04:04:10 PM »

When Mr Echanis and Mr Idema were there,at Bragg, 1975-1976,roughly, you had loads of Vietnam Vets.
I came into the community in 1980,from the US Marine Corps,(where we also had  a lot of Vietnam Vets) and SF was full of guys who had been there done that on the Teams ,as well as at SFQC both at the Instructional Level and as assets who returned to train,work with and tell you what had been done,prior to our arrival.

The mid to late 70's had the creation of Blue Light then Delta .
A little Later on,early to mid 80's,(after Mr Echanis Death) things were happening as the US wanted to keep up with what was believed to be Russia's development of super soldiers through Meditation and psycic enhanced capabilities.
So portions of that were attempted at Bragg.
The 80's also had SF working with Afghan Freedom Fighters.

This time ,in which Mr Echanis and Mr Idema were at Bragg, was also the time the US Government wanted Anti Terror capabilities and 5th Group at Bragg was designated the task.
5th group was where Mr Echanis and Mr idema were hanging out.

While many active SF from Vietnam left,and many went to work as Contractors (?),there were MANY Left in SF finishing their time to retirement,and Luckily many had great experience to share.

Again,I worked with MANY who had been LRRPS,MACV,SOG,Rangers and SF in Vietnam.

These were Great times to be in .

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #116 on: August 07, 2012, 05:52:53 PM »

I got to a Group/team in '80.

Many SF VN era veterans still onboard.

A significant number of such veterans, many with SOG experience, began being assigned to 3/7 in Panama.  When I got there in '82 it was like walking into the "Who's Who" of MACV-SOG / the MIKE Forces and so on.  Us young pups were very much blessed, as you can imagine. 

That was the 80s, for the most part, in Latin America along with equally talented VN SF veterans in 2/7 operating out of Bragg.  They had HONDO/NIC and 3/7 had ES, in general.

Overall I think we enjoyed the broad spectrum of talent during a very challenging period of history.  Certainly that is an understatement :)

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #117 on: August 07, 2012, 07:12:19 PM »

Interesting. Thanks guys for the info.

The next question is with so many experienced veterans around to train and lead the new guys why did Echanis get any work at all? What did he bring to the table that the guys with more field experience didn't? Something about Echanis as the commando's commando doesn't seem to fit. Was there a gap in sentry removal techniques, or moving though a jungle or H2H? I'm trying to see how this puzzle fits together.
I'm just a civilian so maybe I'm just not seeing this in the right perspective.


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« Reply #118 on: August 07, 2012, 09:43:57 PM »

It was what it was and it is what it is :)

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JimH

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Re: New Book on Mike Echanis Released by Paladin Press
« Reply #119 on: August 07, 2012, 10:33:01 PM »

Mr Echanis was not contracted to teach at Ft Bragg.
He went there to hang out with his friend Mr Sanders who was with 5th Group.
While at Bragg Mr Echanis started teaching his version of H2H to some members of 5th Group. He then started a class teaching his version of H2H,the class was open to any and all. After several days the only students left were SF members. Mike was proud of that fact.
But there is not much money to be made running a class for a few weeks ,when most of the originals dropped out and only 11 stayed around to get certificates of completion.(at Bragg)

I do not think that Mr Echanis had a Contract with the SEALs in Virginia,I think they were also just a group he taught.Again not much money there.

He worked for SOF as the Martial Arts director under Mr Brown ,a contract job came up to work in Nicaraqua as a Teacher/Instructor/Contractor/Advisor,he took the job.
Mr Sanders also went with Mike .Mr Echanis also asked his old friend and Judo teacher Nogato to go with them,Nagato declined.Mr Nuygen,a Viet soldier with much experience and some one who had worked with SF in Vietnam also went.

The H2H at the time for SF  and Rangers,(and US Marines), was Combat Judo,with much similarity to WWII combatives,as was taught to the OSS when Col Banks went through.
Needed materials were already being taught.
Many men in Spec Ops train in various martial arts and are always looking for something new. Mr Echanis was a showman,he had an intensity of style and persona that drew people in ,at least those who wanted to do what he could do.
(similarly to those who read his articles and books)

His actual length of time teaching at Bragg,what ended up being a group of SF and a group of SEAL members in Virginia is very limited.
(remember the Group at Bragg started out as an open class to any and all,it ended up with just SF Members,it WAS NOT set up to be a SF course and was NOT part of SF Training)

I do not think Mr Echanis brought anything to the table in relation to field work with SF or the SEALs,but he did bring an attitude and his variation of H2H,which attracted people to it and him.
Again not in overwhelming numbers to make a living.
There was Money though at that time in being a paid Military Advisor,and that is what SOF was selling at the time so work potential and money was there doing something Mr Echanis and his friends believed they were Good At.
It also provided good reading for buyers of SOF magazine.

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