I just had a conversation tonight with a friend, LEO, and sometimes participant in my self defense class. He was telling me about some things that our mutual jujitsu instructor had showed him from a recent Gracie Jujitsu for Law Enforcement class that our mutual instructor had attended. One of the things he showed me was a variation of applying an arm bar. Basically you have a suspect on the ground on his back and he is fighting you. You, as the arresting officer are in a side mount and you decide things aren't going your way, so you plant both palms on his chest and pop up into a squatting position. Then you procede to plop down into the UFC type arm bar.
I commented that I liked the idea of popping up into a more mobile position but that if the guy is fighting and on his back, and I am squatting, knees are right by his head and it would seem the right time to start kneeing the head or pin the neck. Or if things are really getting crazy then just disengage and go to the asp, taser, gun, etc. But he persisted that this arm bar option was a viable one and our mutual instructor liked it and thought it would work.
I then commented that the best concepts I got out of the whole brazilan thing was the idea of position, position, position. But this guy is a veteran police sargeant with plenty of street experience. Way more practical experience than me. But he and other police officers, to include my old jujitsu instructor, who is a partime officer, believe that the Gracie submision thing is a valid last ditch plan. I am at a loss as to how to convince them that there may be a better route.
What should I be telling them? I think I have tried all the usual aurguments but he says "Hey, if I need to I can break his arm". This guy is a friend, lives right up the road, our kids go to school together etc. And he has seen me go from white belt to black belt. Maybe I am just the wrong messenger. Or maybe I should not worry about it. But for what it is worth, I do not teach a submission style arm bar at all in my adult self defense class. What do you guys think?