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 on: December 29, 2014, 10:29:15 AM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
 "Fight or flight. Fight or flight. Fight or flight." Heard that tune before? "...chances are you have. Chances are every instructor you've ever had has regurgitated that mantra before you. It is quick and catchy, almost like a song really and so easy to remember. A snappy alliteration. You probably have locked the three word, two-prong, catch-phrase deep into your “these truths we hold to be self-evident,” inner sanctum. The special place things go that never get questioned. The doctors we quote here later call it, “ingrained assumptions...”

 on: December 28, 2014, 06:44:29 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Shaved sights

 on: December 27, 2014, 09:02:05 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
"When put to the test, the world's fastest men blow the argument for the training importance of Hicks Law out of the deep water and into the shallow..."

 on: December 16, 2014, 12:10:42 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
What Really is "Winning," Which Fight?

    "So, must you ever and always stand your ground, outnumbered or under-gunned in the jungle or surrounded in the street to stay and win, win, WIN! As so many modern “Win Instructors" declare you must? As they pound this into your psyche with their winning macho courses? No. I think…"

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 on: December 04, 2014, 03:49:54 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
So, you want to work out or organize a system.
You start out by making lists.
You make a list of strikes.
You analyze and study each strike for value.
I did, and this is why I have not included the cupped-hand, ear-strike...

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 on: November 16, 2014, 12:24:30 PM 
Started by FM451 - Last post by SabreActual
Final -

Michael D. Echanis was recruited through the U.S. embassy in Managua, Nicaragua, via the U.S. Military Group Army attache at the time (Major Juan Montes).

The recruitment offer to act as an intelligence asset was routed through the JFK Institute for Military Assistance on Smoke Bomb Hill at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Echanis was also being vetted for two other para-military training operations.  The first was in Libya and was a CIA operation requiring 46 advisors at $55,000 a year with $10,000 bonus upon completion.

The second was 90-day 4 man training team for Saudi Arabia.  This MTT paid $150,000 for 90 days' work.

Vetting officers for the Libya contract were Colonel Dick Bratten, formally of INTERPOL, and Colonel Tennis Carter.  Both Bratten and Carter were former "company men".

The opportunity in Nicaragua was not a CIA operation.  Rather, it was internal to Special Forces/Special Operations on Fort Bragg itself.  Echanis rated it as the fall-back mission if the Middle East prospects were not productive.

It was a contract job.

Departure date for the mission was October 1, 1977.

Echanis and his selected team included himself, Chuck Sanders, Joe Camp (retired Navy SEAL) and Bobby Nguyen.

A second team made up of Paul Glasser, C.W. Evans and Gary O'Neil were seconded to work for the EEBI in Managua.  This team was recruited from the 5th Special Forces Group at Fort Bragg with Echanis appointed both the team leader and paymaster for all involved.

However, Echanis and his intelligence cell worked specifically for Mr. Ray Molina, advisor to then President Somoza, whereas the second team trained NIC troops at the Infantry Center (EEBI).

Echanis and his intelligence effort carried out a number of taskings to include the successful infiltration of the American student community at the university in Managa.  Echanis, in specific, also discovered, confirmed and provided evidence of how Cuban sent small arms and ammunition were entering NIC from Cuba/Panama.

With the death of Joe Camp, attempting to re-infiltrate the American student community in Managa as Echanis had done earler, and then a few months later Mike Echanis, Chuck Sanders and Bobby Nguyen killed along with General Ivan Alegrett in an aviation crash, the Fort Bragg run intelligence operation came to an abrupt end.

Colonel Charlie Beckwith, in 1982 and on the public record, confirmed Mike Echanis reported direclty to him regarding the intelligence efforts in Nicaragua when he (Echanis) visited Fort Bragg from NIC.

CIA officers at Fort Bragg attempted to recruit Echanis/Sanders after they were operational in NIC.  Echanis rebuked their interest several times and reported the contacts to then AMB Solaun at the U.S. embassy in NIC after one trip and such contact. 

For roughly a year after the deaths of all four men a clean-up operation took place which included visits to the Camp and Echanis Family by the FBI and the tapping of their home phone lines for roughly a year.

What occurred in NIC was an initially successful intelligence operation that, with the deaths of half its operators, was swiftly closed down and cleaned up after.

The country fell to the communists less than a year afterward.

The record is set straight.

 on: October 30, 2014, 03:33:45 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Gene reports-

    "Two years ago, 5 bullets ripped through my body... Arm, Dominant hand,Lower abdomen, scrotum, bladder, intestines. I wore a colostomy bag for 4 months, I would STILL be wearing it if it weren't for the generosity of the Systema community.

    I know its been two years because of the calendar :my body knows because the nightmares are starting up and it feels like hot steel pokers are stabbing through my belly when it gets close to dusk :

    The first year was surgery after surgery and waiting for wounds to seal shut and training hard to get some ability to move and work back. There was an outpouring of Love the likes of which I had never seen. It was for me, an awakening if you will, to the compassion and care that was all around me just waiting to explode into action. I witnessed first hand a gigantic generous powerful community, galvanized by a focal point. It could have been ANY focal point, all these beautiful people wanting to help just needed a leader or a reason, something to point and press the trigger and BOOM good unleashed in every direction. It was a spectacular year :

    Most folks say , "I'm glad you recovered so well!"

     And in my head I always think, gosh I hope I DIDN'T !!!

    Because for myself what was most interesting was what was UNCOVERED.

    In many ways this second year has been more difficult. The adrenaline wore off so to speak and I watched some sad, sad things.

    Some folks I had really come to admire turned out to be self serving cowards. It really rattled me and stunned me.  My family was hurt by some of these folks actions. Seems like a lot of people had a lot of chips in the game relating to my getting shot.

    I heard people say, He should have ducked.

    I heard people collected money in my name and never passed it on to pay the medical bills as they were supposed to.

    I actually heard someone tell me that my getting shot wasn't about me. And in many ways they were right.

    I don't see any gain in discussing the disillusionment process really. Other than this,

    I'm grateful: Ultimately disillusionment is a good thing.

    Because illusion keeps you from the truth.

    So here is some truth I would like to share, please read because it hurt me to learn these things.

    For a few weeks we acknowledged the fragility of life. For a few weeks we told each other we loved each other frequently, we called and checked on one another. The routine is disrespectful of the gift. The shift from brilliantly focused love and community back to daily operations per normal has been really hard for me.

    We uncovered the awareness that time is a precious gift and should never be squandered or wasted. We uncovered a powerful community, a community seeking to exercise its goodness in benevolent action.

    I don't want to recover.
    I want to continue to UNCOVER.

    When your Systema becomes about covering yourself rather than knowing yourself you've already lost.

Gene Smithson

PS. The galvanizing event has passed, but the latent good is there....someone point in a direction and unleash this flood of goodness.

 on: October 25, 2014, 09:58:41 AM 
Started by Snake Blocker - Last post by Hock
Interesting to reread....

Also, in quick answer to a Sun Helmet, 2009 entry inside this thread...

"Hock -- I am not sure where you are getting your info about Sayoc but what do you mean by business plan going suicidal? Sayoc was just the cover story in last month's BLADE magazine, also in TACTICAL KNIVES (Sayoc- Daniel Winkler Tomahawk), and we have numerous dvds in the works. Our seminars are growing across the globe now. Sayoc seminars were just held in the west coast, Greece, Puerto Rico and even Russia the past month. You may not be aware because numerous Sayoc full instructors are now the ones teaching them. We're busier than ever! We just don't hit the forums so much these days so that may be why you are getting that impression. "

Okay. Where are they now? 2014? Their business model was "suicidal" and detrimental to growth.


 on: October 18, 2014, 06:50:32 AM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Some Gunplay and Some Fisticuffs! Night of the Mad "Pay-tre-ons"

"...     An angry man was pacing the small room, from the bathroom door to the front door. He was quietly cursing to himself, clenching his fists and waving his arms. On the corner of the dresser by the front door was this “big-assed revolver.” I pulled out my .357 Python, my own big-assed gun, in case he decided to continue his angry walk out the door holding that damn thing..."

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 on: October 16, 2014, 09:56:50 AM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Remembering Terry Gibson

   "...I was sure lucky to met him in the late 1980s. I hosted Paul Vunak in Texas in the 1980s and one time Terry showed up. Instant connection. He had a vast interest in the arts that Dan Inosanto taught and in his day, Inosanto said that Terry was one of his top 5 instructors. He was thee major player in this multi-state region surrounding the state of Oklahoma. I hosted Terry many times in Texas and would travel to the seminars he did and hosted in Tulsa, Oklahoma, ones conducted by himself, or by Inosanto, Mark McFann, (no, that is not this "animal" McYoung guy - Mark McFann) Master Chai, Vunak, Hartsell, many of the era. I also took multi-day, privates lessons with him up there in Tulsa, staying at his house at night. We usually did these in 3-day sets. 5 hour privates in the daytime, and this included attending all the evening classes too.

     "...we did Thai, JKD, Silat, varieties of Kali, Shoot Fighting from Japan. We were all ground fighting years before the UFC/BJJ craze. Remember that Dan Inosanto Concepts many decades ago was way ahead of the curve we have today. Virtually all martial arts are a collective of moves from the past, but many get frozen in doctrine. The first real, known..."

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