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 on: April 21, 2021, 03:37:18 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Jeth
There was some great content here and some quality instructors posting too. I miss the format of a forum - longer posts, debate etc.

 on: April 21, 2021, 03:02:39 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Jeth
Wow - what a list!
Great also to be back looking at this forum - Such a great resource pre - "zuckerbook". I hope there's a "future plan" for it.

 on: April 20, 2021, 09:58:56 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by redfive
Took me a while, but i finally got my user and password right. Lol last time i was on here, i had a flip phone . Now replying from an I Phone. Lots of memories on here. The Frank Dux debacle comes  to mind . When he really got on here . Arnold, Uncle Nicki, Raw Hide, Dean, the Prof, Boar Man. O my goodness.
        Jane is right. Only 6 states left. Need to complete the full circle. Iv never been to those 6 either. Do it old school if need be. Pick a park setting , but a coffee can on the ground. Ill throw a dollar in. Beat me up and its officially a done seminar . And we take a selfie as proof. Couldnt do that years back.

                     Red five , standing by

 on: April 15, 2021, 09:57:56 AM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
25 Years of SFC/FN traveling.
Two, three years traveling before that - JKD and FMA.
Seminars. 25th anniversary of the SFC/FN teaching this year. BUT, a few more years before that going around teaching Arnis and JKD. Years a' traveling, maybe...27 or 28 years all toll? For the heck of it, the nostalgia of it, I made a list of US locations. Some 155 and counting US cities and bases, and a number of them, Many times over.

Many times? Like Denver to name one, since the 90s - maybe 25 times there? 30 times? But on the city list, "Denver Metro" counts as one location in the 155-plus. When I say "metro" that could mean several events-cities within a metro area. For example in the category of Dallas-Ft Worth that is MANY cities inside the DFW metroplex. In 2016 alone in DFW, I did a series of monthly knife progression theme seminars in 10 different DFW cities.

In terms of the US military, I have been a paid teacher/consultant for the Army, Air Force, Navy-Marines and even the Coast Guard in the USA (and overseas, a coming-soon list, US bases in Guam, Germany and the Middle East - or as they like to call "Southwest Asia")

I now  realize that I have taught in every state except 6, Vermont, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Utah, North Dakota and Montana. Six of the 50. The flip side of that, that means my clodhoppers have trounced in 44 states. Jane says I should make it a point to try and get in those 6 what end, though? Really?

I will probably never be able to count up the actual seminars, just the locations. These USA locales include civilian courses, police courses and military bases. It must number up to be near or about 400?

Next comes the international cities list.
I need your help to see if I forgot any. For just an example of forgetfulness there are still two cities in New Jersey, one southwest, one way north and central, I just can't remember the city names. These have been for civilians, military and police. Usually they are a mix of these folks.

When frequently asked where my favorite place to go is? I always say...home.

Collected so far (awaiting your memories and clarifications):
Alabama, Birmingham - (several times)
Alabama, Florence
Alabama, Huntsville - (many, many times)

Alaska, Anchorage (several times)

Arizona, Phoenix metro area (many times)
Arizona, Stafford (several times, police)
Arizona, Tucson
Arizona, Sahuarita (several times)
Arizona, Parker (Sheriff's Office, several times)

Arkansas, Jonesboro
Arkansas, Little Rock (several times)
Arkansas, Pine Bluff
Arkansas, Waldron

California, 29 Palms Marine Base
California, Camp Pendleton, Marine base (many times)
California, Los Angeles "Metro" (so many, places & times)
California, Modesto (several times)
California, Oakland (several times)
California, Sacramento (many times)
California, San Diego Metro area (many, many times)
California, San Diego Police Academy
California, San Jose
California, San Leandro (many, many times)
California, Concord (many times, UFC Gym)
California, Pleasanton (many times)

Colorado, Denver Metro area (So many places & times)
Colorado, Fort Collins

Connecticut, Boston Metro (many, many times)
Connecticut, Norwich

Delaware, Hockessin (many, many times)

Florida, Fort Walton Beach
Florida, Tampa Bay
Florida, Vero Beach (many, many  times)

Georgia, Atlanta Metro area (several times)
Georgia, Brunswick
Georgia, Cummings (several times)
Georgia, Rome
Georgia, Savannah (several times)
Georgia, Tifton
Georgia, Valdosta (several times, regional police only)

Hawaii, Honolulu (several times) (civilians and SWAT)

Idaho, Coeur d' Alene area
Idaho, Lewiston

Illinois, Chicago metro area (many times & places)
Illinois, Libertyville (many, many times)
Illinois, Naval Station, Great Lakes (US Navy)
Illinois, Romeoville (many, many times)

Indiana, Evansville
Indiana, Indianapolis
Indiana, Kokomo (many times)
Indiana, Seymour

Iowa,  Fort Dodge Army Base
Iowa, Cedar Rapids
Iowa, Davenport
Iowa, Marion

Kansas, Oberlin
Kansas, Wichita

Kentucky, Florence (many times)
Kentucky, Louisville (several times & places)

Louisiana, Baton Rouge
Louisiana, Shreveport (twice)
Louisiana, Monroe (several times)
Louisiana, Ruston

Maine, Bangor

Maryland, Annapolis Naval Academy (many, many times)
Maryland, Baltimore metro (many, many times)

Michigan, (a city police academy-can't remember)
Michigan, Detroit (several times)
Michigan, Grand Rapids (several times & places)
Michigan, Jackson
Michigan, Kalamazoo (many, many times & places)
Michigan, Stevensville
Michigan, Benton Harbor
Michigan, Coloma

Minnesota, Alexandria

Mississippi, Meridian (many, many times)

Missouri, Branson
Missouri, Excelsior Springs
Missouri, Independence (many, many times)
Missouri, Kansas City metro (many, times)
Missouri, Springfield
Missouri, St. Louis (several times)
Missouri, Fulton (Westminster College, several times)
Missouri, Columbia

Nevada, Henderson
Nevada, Las Vegas (many, many, many times)
Nevada, Nellis Air Force Base
Nevada, Pahrump, Front Site
Nevada, Indian Falls

New Jersey, Clifton
New Jersey, (2 more cities I can't remember)
New Jersey, Atlantic City (many times)
New Jersey, Englishtown
New Jersey, Fort Lee
New Jersey, Hamilton area (many, many times)
New Jersey, Lambertville (many times)

New Mexico, Albuquerque (several times)

New York, Buffalo
New York, Manhattan
New York, Rochester

North Carolina, Asheville
North Carolina (northeast side, small city, can't remember)
North Carolina, Charlotte (several times)
North Carolina, Garner (several times)
North Carolina, Mt Olive
North Carolina, Murphy
North Carolina, Raleigh (several times)

Ohio, Blanchester
Ohio, Cincinnati  (many, many, many times)
Ohio, Cleveland metro area (several times)
Ohio, Cleveland SEALE Police Academy (several times)
Ohio, Dayton
Ohio, Miamisburg

Oklahoma, Altus
Oklahoma, Chickasha (several times)
Oklahoma, Lawton, (several times)
Oklahoma, Oklahoma City
Oklahoma, Tahlequah (many times)

Oregon, Eugene (several times)

Pennsylvania, Erie
Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh (police only and civilians)

Rhode Island, Johnston (many times)
Rhode Island, North Kingston
Rhode Island, Providence

South Dakota, Sioux Falls (several times)

Tennessee, Chattanooga (several times)
Tennessee, Murphysboro (many times)
Tennessee, Nashville (many times)
Tennessee, Tullahoma (many times)
Tennessee, Knoxville (several times)
Tennessee, Memphis (several times)

Texas, Georgetown (many times)
Texas, Abilene (many times)
Texas, Brownsville
Texas, Bryan
Texas, Dallas (had a school there - Dallas Gun Club)
Texas, Dallas-Ft Worth Metro area (numerous times)
Texas, Denton (School there, Golds Gym, 1989 to 1996)
Texas, Denton County FEMA (assigned military police)
Texas, El Paso
Texas, Garland (several times) (civilians & SWAT team)
Texas, Houston (many, many, many times)
Texas, Lackland Air Force Base (many times)(SWAT & MPs)
Texas, Katy (several times)
Texas, Richmond, (several times)
Texas, Lewisville (had a school there)
Texas, Nacogdoches
Texas, San Angelo (several times)
Texas, Texoma Police Academy (many, many, many times-police only)
Texas, Sherman (martial arts-civilians)
Texas, Austin, (several times)
Texas, Kerrville
Texas, San Antonio (many, many times)
Texas, Webster (many times)
Texas, Manheim KR Training Range (several times)

Virginia, Fredericksburg (many times)
Virginia, Norfolk (many places & times)
Virginia, Quantico Marine base
Virginia, TRADOC Army base
Virginia, Radford (Karate College)

Washington DC metro area (many, many times)
Washington, Kennewick (a few times)
Washington, Seattle (a few times)

Wisconsin, Milwaukee (several times)
Wisconsin, Waukesha (several times) (citizens and SWAT)

West Virginia, Philippi (several times)

Wyoming, Casper(several times)

 on: February 18, 2021, 06:25:37 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Less-Than-Lethal Knife Tactics

At times, missions, rules of engagement, the law, and use of force standards require the capture, containment and control, not the death of an enemy. This is once called by professionals as “non-lethal” measures, but military and law enforcement specialists recognize that the term “less-than-lethal” is a smarter, and a more comprehensive phrase than “non-lethal” – as various tactics and equipment designed not to kill and called non-lethal, might still actually kill despite the intent, design and name. This renders the term “non-lethal,” into an operational misnomer and confusing liability.
A comprehensive knife program also covers less-than lethal applications. This is important for the mission and legality. Your knife course must drop all the death cult, over-the-top, violent, macho imagery (unless you are a member of an elite military unit where such imagery is psychologically smart -which is NOT the majority of us). The knife is “just a tool,” as the old saying goes, but a tool with stigma. The following tactics are less-than-lethal and can be substituted for lethal movement.

We know that the knife strikes with:

1-the pommel (and or the ends of a closed folder)
2-the tip
3-the edge or edges
4-flat of the blade
5-the clenched hand-fist grip on the handle
Less than lethal applications of this are:

1-the pommel (and or the ends of a closed folder)
2-if single-edge, a dull edge for striking.
3-flat of the blade.
4-hand grip as a punch.
Less-Than-Lethal 1: Verbal Skills and the Art ...

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 on: February 14, 2021, 04:31:19 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
I really enjoy the numerous youtube videos of people being attacked and the victim unleashes a smart boxing combination and the badman drops like rock. The smart integration of boxing, kickboxing, Thai combinations are worthy studies in self defense combatives, not the whole systems remember, mind you, just what’s smart. Just what applies. (Untrained people – mostly everyone – respond differently than trained people, but we can’t go off on that whole topic here.)

“There is no second round in the street,” might be an old and corny expression for some, but some folks need to hear it once, or once in a while, to get them back on track for what they want, and what they are forced to do in classes and programs.

Attrition is defined as – “the action or process of gradually reducing the strength or effectiveness of someone or something through sustained attack or pressure.” It’s a word used in military battles and war, and here in sport fighting “physical attrition” is a strategy.

In sports, it is indeed the coaches job to map out a strategy to your first or next fight, give you a game plan. You know that in amateur and pro fights, where a history and film exists on your next opponent, these histories are studied and strategies evolve. A properly prepped, fighter, MMA, BJJ, UFC or otherwise needs to walk in with a strategy, a plan. And in this process, the plan is made and you might hear from your coach, “Do this, then do this and this, and the fourth round is yours.” “You…make your move,” Kind of talk. Or ideas about tiring him out in among the battle plan. “First round? Check him out, probe. Probe with the jab. See how he reacts. Second round do ‘this or that’ with the discoveries from your probing. Third round is yours, as you will…”

Coaches say – tire him, move around, also deliver body shots too and kicks too in kickboxing, to weaken and confuse the opponent in round one and round two for the theoretical victory in Round 3.

In one example of body shots, there were numerous successful (and unsuccessful) boxers who spent rounds pounding the upper arms of their opponents so that eventually their guard, through multiple rounds, would eventually drop, their beaten arms down for their eventual, head shots, so that the… ” ______ (fill in the blank) round is yours.”

I think it would be odd for a coach to simply say, “knock him cold with a head shot in the first two seconds. That is all. Now go jog and hit that bag.” Fighters do indeed...

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 on: February 14, 2021, 04:29:23 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Just a short history about the evolution of courses I teach concerning the stick/baton//impact weapon. I started out with the police baton “back in the day” the early 1970s, when there was almost a “no-holds-barred” with wooden stick, police use (especially in the military police.) The police baton was used to hit, block, shove and capture/grapple with. I was certified in the old 1960s -1970s, Los Angeles Police and Los Angeles County baton courses and much of this material was excellent. In the 1980s I became involved with Jeet Kune Do and Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) , as I, like so many others, was on the hunt for any and all martial arts.
The FMA stick, which was supposed to replace the FMA machete/sword for training is 3/5ths of a comprehensive FMA course, the 5 being-
(1) hand,
(2) single stick,
(3) double stick,
(4) knife,
(5) stick-and-knife
Note – FMAs will always have an assortment of other trick weapons to fool with, powders, whips, etc, but they are of “minor league” interests,
The “stick” appears in three of those 5 FMA subjects above.
* Single Stick
* Double stick
* Espada y Daga (stick and knife)
The single stick category seems to get all the shine, attraction and interest, which to me (and Ernesto Presas teachings) is an imbalance of FMA study. Next the puzzling and fun, addiction of double sticks, and then last, the often ignored Espada y Daga or stick-and-knife.
But I always knew from a practical, reality standpoint, a self defense survival standpoint, I would not be single-stick or double-stick dueling with criminals in an alleyway somewhere. As I like to remind people, how likely is it that you will be in a stick fight with your 28” stick, fighting another cat, coincidentally holding another 28” stick, down on the corner of 8th Ave and 4th Street? Statistically unlikely to none. Why do this then? Mostly fun/ Mostly hobby.
Pugil sticks resemble two-hand, impact rifle fighting and bayonet fighting.
So, through time I had to pigeon-hole, classify “the stick” as in hobby, as well as workable, common sense arenas. The progression was as follows,

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 on: February 14, 2021, 04:27:03 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Knife-to-knife dueling is a controversial subject. I have come to believe that knife dueling is way over emphasized and over-practiced in these so-called “reality” knife training courses. This is something I have long called – “the myth of the duel.” The “myth of the duel” is complex subject in the splitting and organizing of martial arts and survival training. (You don’t learn how to play basketball to become a football player.)

Too many knife practitioners, fooled or ignorantly thinking they are studying realistic, modern or military knife combatives, express themselves through too much knife versus knife dueling. A methodology that is a mythology.
If you should escape a prisoner of war camp with a sharpened butter knife, the people who hunt you down have machine guns and dogs. It is unlikely you will be in a Rathbone-Fairbanks duel. Though it has happened in peculiar military circumstances as I have recorded in my Knife Combatives book. It took extensive searching into auto-biographies, biographies and history books, here in the age of firearms, to collect military knife duel events. They are quite rare in the big picture of combat. There are a few more civilian-criminal events than military. The second murderer I caught in the act, in Texas, had killed a rival in a bloody. kitchen-knife duel!
We in modern times live in a hand, stick, knife and gun, mixed-weapon world and a stand-off duel of sorts is not common. Still we must practice a proportionate, appropriate amount of knife versus knife dueling because the uncommon event has and will occur. We always need many knife skills in combinations, slashing, stabbing, support strikes and kicks, footwork and many aspects of knife awareness.
For example, in the “who, what, where, when, how and why of life”, if you are standing with a knife in your hand, in front of another person with a knife? Why are you still there? If at all possible, an orderly retreat is in order. You better have a good reason to stay!

I think knife course instructors may knife spar at each and every one of their own classes and seminars for exercise as they wish, as long as they teach and grasp the Myth of the Duel concept. The legendary Dan Inosanto said once in a seminar I attended, “knife dueling is really about developing footwork.” Instructors have different reasons for pursuing the subject. History? Fun? Competition?
Reality knife dueling can occur! They have happened. But common instructors usually forget the...

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 on: February 14, 2021, 04:20:05 PM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
Haven’t we all seen through the years, the paper targets of angry men holding guns and knives? Is this a good or bad idea?

If you follow me for even a short length of time, you know I do not teach anything to do with firearm marksmanship. I am too unqualified and too impatient for the job. I always team up with, refer you to, and count on my long list of qualified and patient friends to deliver great marksmanship development. Instead, I am solely interested in situational, interactive shooting with any sort of simulated ammo we can get our hands on, wherever we are. The gear has increased in its diversity and opportunity through the decades. I just called the course starting back then in 1995, “Force Necessary: Gun” (using the gun when necessary).

A number of years ago Dr Bill Lewinski and his collegiate Force Science team collected a whole series of studies on shootings and shoot-outs, and determined that one of the principle reasons for missing targets under stress was too much “internal focus” on the use of the handgun and not enough external emphasis. The internal emphasis was defined as the worrying too much about your draw, hand grip, breathing, arms, sights, etc. The Force Science experts recommended a major prescription for this was to work on more external focus. External being defined as the bad guy, location and situation. A professional psychologist would begin to develop therapies for external focus (which I have already spent years doing.) The problem is shooting at moving, thinking people who are shooting right back at you.

With this Force Science report, I immediately added a new sub-title for my gun course, “Force Necessary: Gun – External Focus,” bolstered by Lewinski’s FS and because that is all I do, my slice-share of the gun fight worries. Bring in the external! As the simulated ammo world developed (with much help from Japan) military and police slowly saw great value in adding it in, but just not enough.

After a vow of range shooting celibacy (as in teaching as I still practice shooting on ranges) I still have borderline/trespass comments to make once in a while, and one is on paper targets. It is a range thing and such things I order myself to avoid. But… here goes.

Quickly first, an established point – “bullseye target:” the circular spot, usually black or outlined in black, at the center of a target marked with concentric circles and used in target practice. A regular, round, bullseye target or simplistic versions thereof are good for shooting diagnostics, zeroing in and data investigation-collection. Maybe even some fun competitions?
I recall times, and they are recent and recurring, when ignorant citizen groups demanded that all human shapes be removed from targets. Their argument being that this teaches, people, police and even the military to shoot…people!

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 on: February 03, 2020, 07:56:31 AM 
Started by Hock - Last post by Hock
FN Testing - We Are Now The College Approach

Simply put? Now, you do not have to take our modules in order. You can complete course levels out of order.

I am already scheduling seminars for 2021, my 25th year on the road.  In some circumstances, I may only return to a city around the world in a year and a half now, not every year. Worse, complicating the mission, I really am consistently asked for rank progressions and instructorships. Squeezing all this in, IN PROMOTIONAL ORDER for each person, is just about impossible to schedule.

Every single thing I teach is a course we have. We have 7 courses. Hand, Stick, Knife. Gun. CQC Group (which is the combination of the hand, stick, knife and gun courses) PAC/Filipino and Defender. But the core and most popular courses are the hand, stick, knife and gun programs. Four main courses.

Though there are ten levels in each course, the tenth is a big test, so there are 9 levels of study in each course. That's nine times four. 36 levels. 36 modules. Granted the modules are short and simple, but they take time to do, to teach and get to. Getting to them all, for everyone gets harder and harder each year. In a perfect world, like the perfect college schedule, you would start with "Subject 101" and proceed in perfect order, on through the "Subject 400s." Ever done that? Who do you know that has? It is next to impossible.

When folks go to college, they do the best they can. They take the subjects and classes that are open to them at the time, wrestling with both their schedules and the college-scheduled offerings. This means a college student may actually start in class "Subject 105," rather than "Subject 101" because the 101 class is full. (I actually took all my senior level business courses first!. Yes! As a night student no one seemed to care. So I took "401, 402- on up." Took the others later as I could get them.) And fact is we are not even a real "college-college." We are just some certification courses, some training courses. We are not even a martial "art." So, you can achieve out of order.

Complete any three levels? You can become an instructor. Instructors can teach ANY SFC level material, but only promote people in the levels they tested for. Any six levels? Any nine levels? And so on. Another simple way to put this, if on any given Sunday I teach Knife 6 and you complete it successfully? You can get official credit for Knife 6, even though you haven't finished knife 5. We'll all catch up with everything you in the end.

This will facilitate more people to achieve what they deserve this way, given our constricted opportunities.

Some courses have prerequisites. Seen this before? "Must Take Class 301 Before Class 308." Fortunately, in my practical/tactical course modules, these subjects are not brain surgery or rocket science, nor are they fancy, difficult katas, high jinks or high kicks. They are simply basic, simple things spaced out over time, because not all things can fit in level 1 or "101." Plus we expect people will already be working with their local instructors, have the training videos, and also have experience (most folks I see, have experience) in a variety of systems and schools.

So now, simply put? You do not have to take or test for our modules in strict order. Nice if you would? Best if you would. But like college, you can complete course levels out of order.

And, of course, you can simple train in all of this for knowledge only, never taking any tests at all. The choice is always yours.

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